CVS to pull all Tobacco by Oct 1st 2014

[churchills]

What does a privately owned company choosing what they stock have to do with lobbying and government?

Their store, their rules, their stock list.

Its a public company, CVS NYSE, and it is a very active lobbyist: http://info.cvscaremark.com/about-us/corporate-responsibility/political-activities-contributions

 

[Deathskin]

ive never been to a cvs but two just popped up here since summer i dont plan to go there either but the properties the stores sit on had to cost them a ton of $ desireable parts of the city

 

[SpartanFan]

ive never been to a cvs but two just popped up here since summer i dont plan to go there either but the properties the stores sit on had to cost them a ton of $ desireable parts of the city

CVS used to be the worlds largest pharmacy. I'm not exactly sure how Walgreens overpowered them.

 

[Deathskin]

we have a walgreens on every corner here it feels like

 

[Craig Mac]

Still don't get how they can justify removing tobacco, but continuing to sell alcohol. And I love a drink as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong...Just think it's hypocritical. Alcohol causes health problems, and attributes to deaths when abused just as cigarettes do, yes?

So does junk food.... Should they take away the twinkles too?

 

[SpartanFan]

Still don't get how they can justify removing tobacco, but continuing to sell alcohol. And I love a drink as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong...Just think it's hypocritical. Alcohol causes health problems, and attributes to deaths when abused just as cigarettes do, yes?

So does junk food.... Should they take away the twinkles too?

I often see this argument as well, that if they take something away they will take something else or more commonly, if they take something away, why aren't they taking away the worse things? Primarily because in reality they aren't worse in the public eye and they don't have an outcry to be removed, in many cases, medical mitigation for things like carbohydrate issues, starch overdoses, fast food, alcoholism and so many other things.. can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy, compared to the issue of lung damage or cancer.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy cigars, even if I've only had a small number of regulars for the most part (maybe I'd hate the rest! lol), and I'd prefer they not mismanage our freedom to enjoy them, but at the same time I try to be conscious and conscientious of what's going on in the world of the public and in terms of reception.

 

[Jmphotog]

Love how they want to stop selling cigs but want to legalize marijuana ... Does anyone else find that mind boggling?

 

[halel]

Love how they want to stop selling cigs but want to legalize marijuana ... Does anyone else find that mind boggling?

Tobacco is bad for you. Weed is good for you.
I think I bought some black&mild at CVS before. Hmm

 

[zama80]

alcoholism and so many other things.. can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy,.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong this statement is. Alcoholism is far from easy to deal with or remedy. The affects of alcoholism on a family almost always extend through multiple generations. Yes, the death of a loved one due to a cigarette related illness is very hard on a family. The pain felt by the spouses and children of alcoholics is life altering in ways you can't imagine. To equate the two is short sided at best. A smoker who quits usually does not need to change much else in their lives. When a alcoholic quits drinking... Well, that is the easy part. The difficult part is changing the one thing in their life that they must change if they want to stay sober, and that one thing is.....everything. Sorry for the rant/lecture, but quitting one is not the same as treating the other.

 

[Heath]

Of the people I know who smoke such products, I can't think of a single one who regularly purchased their tobacco from CVS or the like.

I don't know anyone that buys their Cigs from CVS either but I can tell you this, I go into a CVS at least twice a week at a minimum as it is walking distance from my house and Every single time I go into that store someone is buying some sort of tobacco.

Gas stations are huge cigarette sellers in NH. That is another place you cane walk into every single time there will be someone buying tobacco.

In a different note This link could take my theory and toss it right out the window. http://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/29/business/target-chain-citing-costs-to-stop-selling-cigarettes.html
Sorry I have no clue how to make the link smaller without going to tinyurl

@churchills I think that is a great idea. For all your reasons make sense! Maybe if your lucky they will eventually just sell tobacco in tobacco stores only.

 

[SpartanFan]

alcoholism and so many other things.. can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy,.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong this statement is. Alcoholism is far from easy to deal with or remedy. The affects of alcoholism on a family almost always extend through multiple generations. Yes, the death of a loved one due to a cigarette related illness is very hard on a family. The pain felt by the spouses and children of alcoholics is life altering in ways you can't imagine. To equate the two is short sided at best. A smoker who quits usually does not need to change much else in their lives. When a alcoholic quits drinking... Well, that is the easy part. The difficult part is changing the one thing in their life that they must change if they want to stay sober, and that one thing is.....everything. Sorry for the rant/lecture, but quitting one is not the same as treating the other.

Alcoholism and just the fact of being addicted to alcohol without the mental affects of aggression have had numerous treatment options, there's even groups to help through it, as well as dedicated counseling that has shown real and near-complete change in participants. There are also several medical treatments that can repair damage to the liver so long as it's not totalled, and better than all that, these treatments and plans are far cheaper than the costs that cancer incurs with radiation therapy and expensive surgery. If you can afford the most advanced laser-surgery techniques to deal with it, or the private medical treatments for cancers, you're likely rich. My point was more to indicate the damage that alcohol does to the body is far easier to remedy than that of tarnished lungs and cancer. But I don't think we should ignore the massive amount of psychological counseling available for alcoholics and the massive amount of success it has had. Addictions to alcohol and cigarettes are very similar in that they can both incur aggressive chances, while also requiring one to stay away from them, as the option to become easily re-addicted is always present. This has been mitigated by continuous counseling though.

 

[rfraser]

It will be the beginning of the end if Walgreens pulls it. They are one of the reasons I fell in love with tobacco. When I was a kid I remember when it was in the isle and I could smell of of the tobacco; it was amazing back then.

I hear you there, I bought my first pipe from Walgreens back in college.

 

[Hoshneer]

It will be the beginning of the end if Walgreens pulls it. They are one of the reasons I fell in love with tobacco. When I was a kid I remember when it was in the isle and I could smell of of the tobacco; it was amazing back then.

I hear you there, I bought my first pipe from Walgreens back in college.

I did as well. I still have the corn cob and the funny thing is my buddy still has our first bag of cherry pipe tobacco we shared. It was huge and we used to only smoke out of it 6 or 7 times a year.

 

[Deathskin]

due to high taxes alot of people here buy gambler pipe tobacco blank cigs and a cig making machine and do it that way. i never see anyone buying smokes from walgreens cuz theyre about $2 higher than normal price for here.

 

[Jfire]

Still don't get how they can justify removing tobacco, but continuing to sell alcohol. And I love a drink as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong...Just think it's hypocritical. Alcohol causes health problems, and attributes to deaths when abused just as cigarettes do, yes?

So does junk food.... Should they take away the twinkles too?

I often see this argument as well, that if they take something away they will take something else or more commonly, if they take something away, why aren't they taking away the worse things?


........ Primarily because in reality they aren't worse in the public eye and they don't have an outcry to be removed, in many cases, medical mitigation for things like carbohydrate issues, starch overdoses, fast food, alcoholism and so many other things..


......can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy, compared to the issue of lung damage or cancer.........




Don't get me wrong, I enjoy cigars, even if I've only had a small number of regulars for the most part (maybe I'd hate the rest! lol), and I'd prefer they not mismanage our freedom to enjoy them, but at the same time I try to be conscious and conscientious of what's going on in the world of the public and in terms of reception.

The two statements I separated for a reason.
-Just because the general public does not perceive obesity as a health crisis. Does not make it ok. People are dying in their 30s now from heart attacks and strokes. Like 30 years old. Non smokers in the early 30s....
- Tell the U.S. populous your going to take away just about every food they eat on a daily basis. As most things in a U.S. grocer are bad for us as a whole. See how well that goes over...... And just how easy it is to "fix" or heal.....

 

[SpartanFan]

Still don't get how they can justify removing tobacco, but continuing to sell alcohol. And I love a drink as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong...Just think it's hypocritical. Alcohol causes health problems, and attributes to deaths when abused just as cigarettes do, yes?

So does junk food.... Should they take away the twinkles too?

I often see this argument as well, that if they take something away they will take something else or more commonly, if they take something away, why aren't they taking away the worse things?


........ Primarily because in reality they aren't worse in the public eye and they don't have an outcry to be removed, in many cases, medical mitigation for things like carbohydrate issues, starch overdoses, fast food, alcoholism and so many other things..


......can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy, compared to the issue of lung damage or cancer.........




Don't get me wrong, I enjoy cigars, even if I've only had a small number of regulars for the most part (maybe I'd hate the rest! lol), and I'd prefer they not mismanage our freedom to enjoy them, but at the same time I try to be conscious and conscientious of what's going on in the world of the public and in terms of reception.

The two statements I separated for a reason.
-Just because the general public does not perceive obesity as a health crisis. Does not make it ok. People are dying in their 30s now from heart attacks and strokes. Like 30 years old. Non smokers in the early 30s....
- Tell the U.S. populous your going to take away just about every food they eat on a daily basis. As most things in a U.S. grocer are bad for us as a whole. See how well that goes over...... And just how easy it is to "fix" or heal.....

Undoubtedly, but being drunk, immature, vulgar, angry, obese, and even watching porn have all been linked to an immensity of issues regarding mental degradation and then the matter of stress itself kills unendingly. Unfortunately, we can only fix the world when people agree to do so and that takes a lot of time. If you push for too much, you'll get q lot of backlash even if it's all good things happening. People are afraid of change as such, only that which has the focus of the public eye will have justification to be purged or mediated.

So in the end, the argument remains silly because right now there are only three major topics in the public eye. Homosexuality, Gun Violence, and Smoking. Every year we add three it seems, but those seem to vanish by years end. Fickle minds and all that.

 

[Clint]

Still don't get how they can justify removing tobacco, but continuing to sell alcohol. And I love a drink as much as the next guy, don't get me wrong...Just think it's hypocritical. Alcohol causes health problems, and attributes to deaths when abused just as cigarettes do, yes?

Because it's a political football that lets outside interests get involved in the shaping of how laws are made. Booze is a product that every politician knows has tons of lobbyists in place to line the pockets of those who need to get re elected so legislation is formed to that end. Since tobacco has been attacked for the last few decades the public has shouted from the rooftops how evil tobacco is yet they strain at a gnat and swallow the camel because it feels good to the public that they are doing something proactive...yet booze is one of those things that end up costing the public more than tobacco in the end. Each generation wants to make their point in some way and next generation will choose their next 'chew toy' and the cycle begins again. With pot being the next 'cash now' Gov't will realize how much money they have missed out on and more states will ratify legislation to make it legal...it's all about the money folks...always has been and always will.

^Very good points. Hadn't really thought of the lobbyists and alcohol interests in DC and how silently powerful all that really is.

 

[zama80]

alcoholism and so many other things.. can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy,.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong this statement is. Alcoholism is far from easy to deal with or remedy. The affects of alcoholism on a family almost always extend through multiple generations. Yes, the death of a loved one due to a cigarette related illness is very hard on a family. The pain felt by the spouses and children of alcoholics is life altering in ways you can't imagine. To equate the two is short sided at best. A smoker who quits usually does not need to change much else in their lives. When a alcoholic quits drinking... Well, that is the easy part. The difficult part is changing the one thing in their life that they must change if they want to stay sober, and that one thing is.....everything. Sorry for the rant/lecture, but quitting one is not the same as treating the other.

Alcoholism and just the fact of being addicted to alcohol without the mental affects of aggression have had numerous treatment options, there's even groups to help through it, as well as dedicated counseling that has shown real and near-complete change in participants. There are also several medical treatments that can repair damage to the liver so long as it's not totalled, and better than all that, these treatments and plans are far cheaper than the costs that cancer incurs with radiation therapy and expensive surgery. If you can afford the most advanced laser-surgery techniques to deal with it, or the private medical treatments for cancers, you're likely rich. My point was more to indicate the damage that alcohol does to the body is far easier to remedy than that of tarnished lungs and cancer. But I don't think we should ignore the massive amount of psychological counseling available for alcoholics and the massive amount of success it has had. Addictions to alcohol and cigarettes are very similar in that they can both incur aggressive chances, while also requiring one to stay away from them, as the option to become easily re-addicted is always present. This has been mitigated by continuous counseling though.

I won't thread jack any more, but you completely missed my point. And check the relapse rate on those treatment studies.

 

[SpartanFan]

alcoholism and so many other things.. can be far easier to deal with and at times heal or at least remedy,.

I can't even begin to explain how wrong this statement is. Alcoholism is far from easy to deal with or remedy. The affects of alcoholism on a family almost always extend through multiple generations. Yes, the death of a loved one due to a cigarette related illness is very hard on a family. The pain felt by the spouses and children of alcoholics is life altering in ways you can't imagine. To equate the two is short sided at best. A smoker who quits usually does not need to change much else in their lives. When a alcoholic quits drinking... Well, that is the easy part. The difficult part is changing the one thing in their life that they must change if they want to stay sober, and that one thing is.....everything. Sorry for the rant/lecture, but quitting one is not the same as treating the other.

Alcoholism and just the fact of being addicted to alcohol without the mental affects of aggression have had numerous treatment options, there's even groups to help through it, as well as dedicated counseling that has shown real and near-complete change in participants. There are also several medical treatments that can repair damage to the liver so long as it's not totalled, and better than all that, these treatments and plans are far cheaper than the costs that cancer incurs with radiation therapy and expensive surgery. If you can afford the most advanced laser-surgery techniques to deal with it, or the private medical treatments for cancers, you're likely rich. My point was more to indicate the damage that alcohol does to the body is far easier to remedy than that of tarnished lungs and cancer. But I don't think we should ignore the massive amount of psychological counseling available for alcoholics and the massive amount of success it has had. Addictions to alcohol and cigarettes are very similar in that they can both incur aggressive chances, while also requiring one to stay away from them, as the option to become easily re-addicted is always present. This has been mitigated by continuous counseling though.

I won't thread jack any more, but you completely missed my point. And check the relapse rate on those treatment studies.

I wouldn't say I missed the point, I think you may have misread what mine was though. Anyway, the more advanced study reports seem to be overwhelmingly successful, if you're talking about the typical counseling, that requires them to stay at it for a time, a lot of people quit and stop coming.

 

[blessednxs65]

If Walgreens pulls it then the only source for Garcu y Vega and White Owl will be Walmart... Unless they are stocking Tatuaje's!

It will be the beginning of the end if Walgreens pulls it. They are one of the reasons I fell in love with tobacco. When I was a kid I remember when it was in the isle and I could smell of of the tobacco; it was amazing back then.