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I can taste the obvious pepper, spicy, bitter, sweet. But when it comes to all these other flavors I hear people talking about earth, mocha, caramel,wood,leather.... I can't taste them.
My draws are about 3 seconds long. I retro hale on occasion. If anyone can offer any tips please let me know.

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While I am still a noob on this, it takes time to develop your palate. Some people take a few months, others take a few years to develop it. While my palate is not as refined as a lot of guys here, reading reviews of cigars while I smoke them, helps me differentiate between flavors. I even read reviews for cigars that I have smoke multiples of. That way, I know what others are seeing and hopefully, I can see it to...
 

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Experiment with taking very small / short draws from the cigar, hold it in your mouth a little longer, then try to " taste" the smoke as you purge it from your mouth...slowly.

This may help you discern more of the flavor, to start.
 

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Age your smokes abit . the sweet gains character akin to your cocoa, flowers & cherries - especially w/ lfd and opus x .. Same as with earth, cola& cedar on cheaper cc's .
some pardons are just outright coffee bombs btw.

don't rely so much with taste exclusively (sweet salt sour bitter & umami). As the human nose can pick scents from a much greater scale (1 trillion to be precise).
 

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I can taste the obvious pepper, spicy, bitter, sweet. But when it comes to all these other flavors I hear people talking about earth, mocha, caramel,wood,leather.... I can't taste them.
My draws are about 3 seconds long. I retro hale on occasion. If anyone can offer any tips please let me know.

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Sometimes I think it's a bunch of horse crap but then again I'm not one to have a refined palate. Other times I know for sure I've tasted Certain flavors that were plain as day (Marshmallow, creamsicle, bbq, among others I cannot remember ATM)

Don't go looking for anything and just concentrate and experience the cigar. Relate what you are experiencing and try and describe it. Don't reach and try and label it if it's just not distinguishable to you. Try smelling and tasting some of the different flavors these people are describing. A lot of it comes on the retrohale for me and it's more of a smell than a taste on the tongue. (But that is just me) I like to describe my cigars in generalities like; sweet, sour, dry, dark, bright, tart, bitter, acrid, acidic, fruity, woodsy, etc. unless I definitely experience the flavor.

Don't sweat it brother.
 

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Age your smokes abit . the sweet gains character akin to your cocoa, flowers & cherries - especially w/ lfd and opus x .. Same as with earth, cola& cedar on cheaper cc's .
some pardons are just outright coffee bombs btw.

don't rely so much with taste exclusively (sweet salt sour bitter & umami). As the human nose can pick scents from a much greater scale (1 trillion to be precise).
Oh and I definitely totally agree here. These are other flavors that jump out rather often (Earth, cocoa, floral *Four Kicks* Cedar)

Age defines flavors and brings out the subtleties (even just resting them a few months)
 

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Also.. be careful what you are pairing with if you are really trying to identify flavors and nuances..

Its easy to let food/drink overpower the palate and confuse your taste buds..

If Im trying something for the first time.. or if I really want to sit down and analyze a profile (trying to do a review, etc..).. I pair with water only...

If Im just smoking to enjoy.... I might reach for a soda, coffee, scotch, eat something spicy, etc.. while I smoke the cigar..
 
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Lot of great points already.

I have been expanding my palate over the past few months with smoking and reading reviews simultaneously, slowing down my smoking, taking the time to think and taste, and I think most importantly retrohaling....a lot. Love it now!

I have picked up some different flavors along the way on my own. Other times I know I'm tasting something but can't describe it. And other times I just sit back and enjoy the flavor without caring what it is.

I think at the end of the day, as long as you're enjoying the experience, the flavors don't matter as much. I figure all in time :)
 

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I think it's a combination of tongue tasting, retrohaling and just smoking a lot of cigars that help develop the ability to pick up flavors. And it varies by person too, some can easily pick up things where others can't.
 
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great thread and as others have said, many great points already brought up.

I've read cigar reviews, in which the reviewer identified so many flavors in a cigar that he'd give a jelly belly mix bag a run for its money.

However, when I smoke cigars, I realize that at any one point, I am not tasting a single flavor. Rather, it's a meld of different flavors
and sometimes, my brain does not have a category that works for these subtle melded flavors--I know that what I am experiencing belongs within
a flavor category, but past the general category, can I really say with conviction that it tastes like "pomegranate"--yes, i've read reviews
where the reviewer identified pomegranate or another flavor, which leaves me rolling my eyes.

This is not meant to bash reviewers, because they have a damn hard job. It would be quite the tall task if they created a new flavor to describe what they're tasting,
and even then, it would be pulling teeth to get a consensus. And there'd be educating the reader and all of this is not realistic in the slightest.
Much easier to compare to well defined flavors that we all know and then define the flavors they are detecting as being "this," because they are certainly
not "that."
 
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I cannot differentiate flavors at all. I know the "Pepin pepper" and the "Opus X spice", but as far as leather and wood and earth I cannot. I can tell whether or not I like something, whether it is good or not. I really hate bitter tastes. I tend to prefer aged smokes of good quality, like Liga, Padron, and Opus. I find that when I am smoking a cigar too fast it ruins the experience, making the smoke more bitter.
 
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First of all thank you for the great advice. Like ChefBoyRG54 said I know I'm tasting something, but my brain doesn't register it. I'm not able to label it under earth or leather for example.

I read reviews and smoke that particular cigars to see if my pallet picks up on those flavors, but a lot of the times they don't.
Im going to try what you guys suggested.
Who knows maybe it will come with time. 👍
 

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Try drawing on it so slowly that it takes 5-8 seconds to pull a full draw. (Slow long pull, emphasis on the slow as in lightly pulling in the smoke) once you do, hold it there for a few more seconds swishing it around and then do a nice long smooth rhetrohale. This is how I smoke if I'm trying to really dissect a cigar. Take your time, don't let it get hot, ponder the cigar and let it teach you patience.
 

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Two points I'd add to everything above:

  • You're never really "tasting" or "smelling" the nuances listed in reviews, but more smelling/tasting something that "reminds" the reviewer of said item. People with very refined palates have become attuned to pointing out those references, whereas you or I might never pick these things up because we haven't trained ourselves to pick out these individual traits. I know I've seen scent kits available for people training to become master sommeliers so they can clearly define scents in their purest form. Don't feel bad about only picking up a small fraction of what a reviewer calls out!
  • Do some blind reviews! I got in on a round of blind reviews last fall and was amazed at how much more attuned to the cigar I was when I had zero prior knowledge about what I was getting myself in to. If you see someone running a round of these again, jump on it! (or just arrange some with a buddy, trade some fivers and replace the bands with letters/numbers. Then, after you've both completed your reviews you can reveal what each one was - and make sure you post them up in the review section!!)
 
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I agree CG and that is exactly what I am getting at. However, quite a few cigar reviewers take a
more absolute tone to their reviews--makes for better reading I suppose. Rather than acknowledging
the liberal nature of defining what you are tasting in cigars, it's %100 pomegranate--to continue
with the example of a review that I found humorous. The absolute tone in cigar reviews, especially
when they attempt to define the nitty gritty, confuses a lot of readers, who make it to the
flavor-genus, but are never able match up the flavor-species if you will--what a nerd I am.
 

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Two points I'd add to everything above:

  • You're never really "tasting" or "smelling" the nuances listed in reviews, but more smelling/tasting something that "reminds" the reviewer of said item. People with very refined palates have become attuned to pointing out those references, whereas you or I might never pick these things up because we haven't trained ourselves to pick out these individual traits. I know I've seen scent kits available for people training to become master sommeliers so they can clearly define scents in their purest form. Don't feel bad about only picking up a small fraction of what a reviewer calls out!
  • Do some blind reviews! I got in on a round of blind reviews last fall and was amazed at how much more attuned to the cigar I was when I had zero prior knowledge about what I was getting myself in to. If you see someone running a round of these again, jump on it! (or just arrange some with a buddy, trade some fivers and replace the bands with letters/numbers. Then, after you've both completed your reviews you can reveal what each one was - and make sure you post them up in the review section!!)
Good points.

My two cents:
1. Retrohale. Blow 95% of the smoke out your mouth, and let just the last 5% trail out your nose. Or if that's to much, blow all the smoke out your mouth, and then just exhale out your nose after. You'll notice new flavors that really add richness and depth to what you taste on the tongue.
2. French inhale. Bring a little of the smoke up your nostrils. Too much will burn you, especially if you're new, so sometimes it's just sniffing the room note of the smoke, but that too will add dimensions to the flavor
3. Get a flavor wheel. Google one, print it, and have it around when you smoke. You'll begin to notice certain aspects of the smoke remind you of things, and the wheel will help you put a finger on 'em
4. Reviews. Write stuff down that occurs to you when you smoke. As you concentrate on what to write, you'll discover your more able to identify flavors.
5. Blind Reviews. Sometimes getting the brand and preconceptions out of the way make a world of difference, and concentrating only of the cigar itself, nothing else, will allow you to free your mind and be more open to the flavors
6. Smell stuff. I'm serious here, go into your pantry and smell all the spices. Go outside and smell grass, dirt, flowers, trees, bark, soil. Try to commit those aromas to memory, so when you light up a cigar you'll be able to go back and say "aha!"

As was already mentioned, slower pulls will result in better flavor. Also, another thing to note is to smoke more frequently, but not all the time. Too much smoking will kill your palate, but smoking regularly will desensitize your palate in a proper way, allowing you to get past the initial roughness and taste more of the good stuff. It's like playing an instrument - you have to desensitize your fingertips to play well, and actually be able to feel the instrument the right way. Same with cigars, there's a certain way in which you need to do it enough to build your calluses, but not so much or so hard that you blister or chafe.
 

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Two points I'd add to everything above:

  • You're never really "tasting" or "smelling" the nuances listed in reviews, but more smelling/tasting something that "reminds" the reviewer of said item. People with very refined palates have become attuned to pointing out those references, whereas you or I might never pick these things up because we haven't trained ourselves to pick out these individual traits. I know I've seen scent kits available for people training to become master sommeliers so they can clearly define scents in their purest form. Don't feel bad about only picking up a small fraction of what a reviewer calls out!
  • Do some blind reviews! I got in on a round of blind reviews last fall and was amazed at how much more attuned to the cigar I was when I had zero prior knowledge about what I was getting myself in to. If you see someone running a round of these again, jump on it! (or just arrange some with a buddy, trade some fivers and replace the bands with letters/numbers. Then, after you've both completed your reviews you can reveal what each one was - and make sure you post them up in the review section!!)
Good points.

My two cents:
1. Retrohale. Blow 95% of the smoke out your mouth, and let just the last 5% trail out your nose. Or if that's to much, blow all the smoke out your mouth, and then just exhale out your nose after. You'll notice new flavors that really add richness and depth to what you taste on the tongue.
2. French inhale. Bring a little of the smoke up your nostrils. Too much will burn you, especially if you're new, so sometimes it's just sniffing the room note of the smoke, but that too will add dimensions to the flavor
3. Get a flavor wheel. Google one, print it, and have it around when you smoke. You'll begin to notice certain aspects of the smoke remind you of things, and the wheel will help you put a finger on 'em
4. Reviews. Write stuff down that occurs to you when you smoke. As you concentrate on what to write, you'll discover your more able to identify flavors.
5. Blind Reviews. Sometimes getting the brand and preconceptions out of the way make a world of difference, and concentrating only of the cigar itself, nothing else, will allow you to free your mind and be more open to the flavors
6. Smell stuff. I'm serious here, go into your pantry and smell all the spices. Go outside and smell grass, dirt, flowers, trees, bark, soil. Try to commit those aromas to memory, so when you light up a cigar you'll be able to go back and say "aha!"

As was already mentioned, slower pulls will result in better flavor. Also, another thing to note is to smoke more frequently, but not all the time. Too much smoking will kill your palate, but smoking regularly will desensitize your palate in a proper way, allowing you to get past the initial roughness and taste more of the good stuff. It's like playing an instrument - you have to desensitize your fingertips to play well, and actually be able to feel the instrument the right way. Same with cigars, there's a certain way in which you need to do it enough to build your calluses, but not so much or so hard that you blister or chafe.
Great ideas here.

I'm all chafe and blisters....and here I thought I was becoming one with the cigar... I think I ended up channeling Mickey Rorke instead...
 
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I feel like it's not always obvious to everyone, but: be sure when you are puffing and holding the smoke in your mouth, that you are not closing the back of your sinus off. If you do that, you won't taste much at all. The smoke needs to be able to penetrate into your nasal cavity a bit. Otherwise all you'll taste is what's left on your tongue when you exhale & breathe again.
 
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