El Oso Papa (something isn't the same)

[Zmilin]

So I got a box of El Oso Papa today and as I was putting it away I through they were darker than normal. I dug out my last one form a previous purchase and sure enough... the new ones are dark compared to the last ones.
Any thoughts? Anyone have info on a change?

Don't mind the cracked foot. Its a hazard from shipping.

 

[Zmilin]

The darker one has a more pungent aroma. Might be because its ROTT. I opened the box about an hour ago.

Darker one smells light earthy. More dirt than grass.
Lighter one is very mild in aroma and very difficult to pick up. Its more woodsy but it has been sitting in my wine adore for a couple months.

 

[Cigarth Vader]

I would expect it's the same wrapper and blend, just a different batch of wrapper leaves. I'll ask Kyle and see what he says.

 

[Zigarro]

Looks suspicious to me, I smell a fake! (but then, I always do, eh HerfDog?)

 

[danmdevries]

Never heard of the brand, so obviously can't offer first hand experience. But would recommend contacting the seller, or even manufacturer if an accessible source as some boutique brands are. Find out what's going on from them and report back.

Off topic: how did you make those bands?

 

[bigbill72]

leaves can color change from one plant to the next mother nature is in control

 

[daleo8803]

Smoke one and see if they are the same. I have seen the same thing in box's of Jericho hills. One be very dark and the one right beside it be lighter like that. They both tasted the same.

 

[Zmilin]

I was thinking it might just be a mother nature thing but its a fairly significant difference. The source was very reputable and Ill email them if Ben doesn't find something first. Im gonna be out of commission tomorrow and maybe for a few days. Ill update when I know for sure.

Off topic: how did you make those bands?

I use onlinelables.com and get them in sheets that I can print to. Alignment sucks but once its right I just use a template. You can write on them too but Im OCD.

Smoke one and see if they are the same. I have seen the same thing in box's of Jericho hills. One be very dark and the one right beside it be lighter like that. They both tasted the same.

They are still needing to acclimate. The USPS had them for a few days. Ill burn the one in the pic in a few days since it has a damaged foot.

 

[erjaq]

I think most factories sort out boxes according to wrapper shade. You probably just got one from a lighter box the first time, then a darker box the second time.

 

[jonnylieberman]

All cigars are fake.

 

[herfdog]

Looks suspicious to me, I smell a fake! (but then, I always do, eh HerfDog?)

Yeah dogs tend to do use their smell a lot. Its a dog thing.

But Id think theres nothing funky here, even leaves from a same plant can have varying coloration. I find these specific ones quite different though. Weird. But... Even sun exposure will change the color of a Cigar.


I bet the darker will taste better.

 

[Le Buzz]

The wrapper description for these is Habano Ecuador Oscuro. In my opinion the lighter one would not qualify as an Oscuro wrapper. There are always large variations in wrapper color and shouldn't be an issue whatsoever. However, if a cigar is described as maduro or Oscuro you kind of expect that darker shade.

I highly doubt anyone is making fake El Osos. Most likely just a lighter shade of habano and they decided to let it slide at QC.

 

[Zigarro]

The wrapper description for these is Habano Ecuador Oscuro. In my opinion the lighter one would not qualify as an Oscuro wrapper. There are always large variations in wrapper color and shouldn't be an issue whatsoever. However, if a cigar is described as maduro or Oscuro you kind of expect that darker shade.

I highly doubt anyone is making fake El Osos. Most likely just a lighter shade of habano and they decided to let it slide at QC.

NO no, no! Me, Herfdog and others demand a full accounting of this here "fraud"! (Guess you had to be there for the humor of this to work?) http://www.botl.org/threads/anyone-following-the-fake-cigars-at-cbid-stuff-on-other-forums.79137/page-5#post-1579807

 

[Cigarth Vader]

Kyle got back to me, sent you a PM Z.

 

[Tobbot]

All I know is the lighter ones are delicious

 

[HIM*]

It's normal. Some companies are more anal about it than others while some just dye all their wrappers the same color. Some leaves turn out darker than others. Nothing to worry about.

 

[Cigarth Vader]

Direct from Warped: "Hmm that's a big shade variant. The blend was never changed...I wanna track down the time it was sent and see why that happened"

So, obviously a larger shade variant than what Warped considers acceptable.

 

[herfdog]

it almost look like a papa maduro and a papa naturales... I am curious to see if under the el oso band of the pale one the color is darker.

 

[Cigarth Vader]

it almost look like a papa maduro and a papa naturales... I am curious to see if under the el oso band of the pale one the color is darker.

I highly doubt it.

 

[herfdog]

If its darker under the band, then we're talkign sun exposure discoloration. Seen that before. Up to these sifferent shades between a top-row stick and the underneat stick.