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All,

This is informal discussion of our consumer perception of the brands whose PRODUCT QUALITY and BLENDS have improved and digressed. I realize this is a matter of personal opinion, but I am genuinely interested in the perception of my fellow BOTL-ers. If you could include why you feel as you do that would be great.

IMPROVED:

Quesada: The brands made by this venerable maker were at their peak prior to and during the 90's boom era, but imo they seemed to stagnate through next decade, while still solid, they did not really draw my interest. However today I feel there has been a tremendous revival in their blending, branding and overall portfolio. It began with Casa Magna and while I did not think it was the #1 Cigar of the Year flavorwise, it was definitely a benchmark blend that marked the beginning of the release of many new, interesting cigars that has put this maker back solidly on my radar and in my humidor.

Perdomo: This is another maker who had a lull portfolio-wise and suffered a few years of upheaval between the death of their patriarch and staff changes. However it refocused on its core strengths and as a result has released a very solid portfolio of solid blends at a very consumer friendly price point. The overall quality of cigars has improved tremendously over the last few years making them a brand that well deserves attention and dollar.

AJ Fernandez: Primarily beginning their career has a manufacturer of economy priced sticks for a major big-box cigar retailer many of their early offerings were of suspect quality and flavor imo. Through hard work and serious investment, this factory has really stepped up their game in the last few years and is now offering some very palatable smokes and is on the verge of creating their own benchmark brand. They are one to watch.

Joya de Nicaragua: Another vaunted factory, arguably the one with the richest history in Nicaragua, languished for a stretch. Their core blends remained solid, but their attention to detail faltered imo. A few years ago they began to refocus and invest both in infrastructure and expanding the diversity of their vast tobacco holdings. Everything from this factory has improved and they are on the cusp of creating some new products that I believe with become landmark cigar blends. If you haven't smoked the classic JDN Antano 1970 recently, do yourself a favor and do so.

SOME WHO HAVE DIGRESSED:

I do have a list of those too, but it would be inappropriate for -me- to comment on those given my personal position in the industry and circumstances. Given that I have the option of someday returning to the business my being critical of other companies' products might be interpreted as be unfair and at the very least, rude. Heck, some of the comments I made in my "improved" list may not be welcomed even though I am genuinely praising these four companies. Anyhow, most of you folks don't have this to be concerned about.

BR,

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Habanos has been churning out
the most fantastic record ready to smoke crops. namely '13 and early '14. although ive also caught wind that theres a serious premium wrapper shortage. 'The '14 RE's are supposedly getting held up on account of this. Cohiba is now being revered to approaching its past ageless timeless glory days of the 70 - 80's
 
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Great topic Steve. I haven't been smoking long enough to say who has gotten better or worse. I am interested to hear what others have to say. It's topics like this that help me learn more about the manufacturers and the industry itself. Bravo.
 

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Paul Gamarian grew in the 90s and flopped in 2000. It's making a comeback now.

Bahia, they were huge in the 90 and it tanked.

I could keep going, but the common denominator is grew to big, too fast and had no plan for lean times, examples of proper planning from that time is Fuentes and Padron, they have remained solid since the first boom, but remember, that was the first big cigar boom. We are now in the third boom, imho,
 
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Angry Bill - Will share a 'Bahia story' with you...
At the 1998 RTDA (what it was called before it went to 'IPCPR'), I was in a hotel suite with Tony Borhani (Bahia founder/owner) smoking cigars.
Tony handed me a '98 Bahia Gold Robusto, and he was smoking an unbanded cigar (robusto vitola). The Bahia Gold was EPIC--to this day, one of THE most memorable and amazing cigars I've smoked. Ever.

He hands me his cigar and asks me to smoke it--it was insanely good. But the Bahia Gold Robusto was a notch above it.

I told Tony, "This is good--but this Bahia Gold is BETTER."

Turns out what he was smoking was a well-aged Cohiba (CUBA) Robusto...

No doubt--in its heyday, Bahia Gold was a legendary smoke.


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Yep Jon. I met him at the Big Smoke in Century City, Tony handed me a cigar, no band on it and asked me to tell him what I thought. After I gave him my impression, he told me that it was a Gold and you are right, it was great.

But, today, smokers have become more aware of strength and flavor. We have become more complex and know what our palates are. So, it is hard for some of the smaller companies to find staying power in the market, unless of course the owner is filthy rich or has backing. But, as I say, there is a cigar out there for everyone's tastes.
 
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I find Macanudo to have regressed over the years. In the early to mid 90s, they were the cat's meow. They represented probably half the sticks I smoked. Now they're as boring as the day is long; they haven't made many additions in their offerings over the decades. I just don't like them anymore (if you still enjoy Macs, YMMV :)).
 

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I find Macanudo to have regressed over the years. In the early to mid 90s, they were the cat's meow. They represented probably half the sticks I smoked. Now they're as boring as the day is long; they haven't made many additions in their offerings over the decades. I just don't like them anymore (if you still enjoy Macs, YMMV :)).
But they still hold a huge market share worldwide. Not in my flavor profile, but I venture to say that about 1/2 of the first time cigar smokers smoke a Mac as there first cigar
 
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But they still hold a huge market share worldwide. Not in my flavor profile, but I venture to say that about 1/2 of the first time cigar smokers smoke a Mac as there first cigar
You're right about that, and I agree with you on the taste perspective. I wouldn't even venture a guess as to what percentage of their smokers are first-timers (but it's gotta be a ton!)
 
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I find Macanudo to have regressed over the years. In the early to mid 90s, they were the cat's meow. They represented probably half the sticks I smoked. Now they're as boring as the day is long; they haven't made many additions in their offerings over the decades. I just don't like them anymore (if you still enjoy Macs, YMMV :)).
If Macanudo was the only cigar I ever smoked I would never have touched another cigar.
We had a family friend that would come to visit my parents. They let him smoke his nasty ass cigar in the house and I would throw a fit (I was an obnoxious kid at times - no really, I was). He always left the silver tube behind cause he knew I liked them for some reason.
FF to about 20 years ago and Im at a work event and one of the guys hands me a Mac to smoke. I wanted to sandpaper my mouth the next day.
Thank goodness a true tobacconist got his hands on me (figuratively - damn perverts) and set me straight with a Padron.

So... who smokes Macanudos... noobs and old guys. How much longer do they have as a company/brand until their customer base dies off? :eek:
 
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Subscribed. Good discussion, Steve.

I'd typed out some personal impressions, but, in actuality, I need to think on it a bit more. I am aware that my perceptions aren't always reality...even my own reality....and I'm not sure I can really be objective...which this conversation requires. My twisted perceptions notwithstanding, I don't even trust my constantly evolving palate....blind tastings have been the source of enormous self doubt over here.
 

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one that always comes to mind for me is the old la gloria wavell when it was in miami. what a great stick. then, lots of things began to change, and the rest is history. it's always a little sad when a really good small company either gets too big too quick, or gets bought out by a bigger company that is unable to retain the original character.
 
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I'm only 29 and have only been smoking regularly for about 7 years. In that time I'd say the brands that have most improved for me would be these:
1. Oliva - I know the Oliva family has been around a long time in the cigar industry and they probably made plenty of good blends before I smoked but I had never had those and this is just based on my own history with the brand. I just started smoking when the V dropped and it wasn't for a while that they started to hit the discount sites that I used to buy from. It was about midway through 08 when I had my first and it totally blew me away. I had smoked the G, O and MB 3 lines and I didn't care for any of them. The V changed my perspective on the company totally. The extensions and offshoots of the line have also been extremely good. I have loved many of the V Maduro releases and the V Melanio is one of my favorite regular production smokes.
2. Room 101 - After the huge hype about some of his sticks around 2010 or so I decided to try a few. How could I not like these? The reviews were solid, the packaging and look of the cigars was excellent, and Matt Booth loved bling and sported the sweetest Dragonball Z haircut imaginable. But the cigars sucked. In the following years they have released blends that are much improved and the MC 1 and 2 blends have certainly made me rethink my opinions on the company, even though I had enjoyed some previous releases. While the jury is still out on Matt, I find many of his cigars to be excellent.

Fallen Off:
1. Drew Estate - I know theres already been lots said about this company and I'm not trying to sip the haterade or bash them. But when I had my first LP 9, it was a magical experience and it cost me 7 bucks. Might still be the best $7 cigar I've had to this day. I was on that bandwagon hard back when Tat was the greatest brand in the land and many of the Liga releases were right up my alley, particularly the T52 Pig and Dirty Rat. In the past 2-3 years though, I've found that the LP 9 simply isn't as good to me as it used to be. It could be that there are other brands that are now putting out excellent cigars that I enjoy for half the price, it could be that the crops the last couple of years aren't as great as they used to be, it could be that the brand is more popular than it was back in the day and thus has to source more tobacco and some of this tobacco isn't as top notch, or it could just be me and that my palate or preferences have changed. Whatever the case I find the $11.50 MSRP price ($14+ at any of my locals) to be too hard to swallow for what the cigar is today. I'm not saying that this brand is trash at all, I'm simply saying compared to the days when I would consider it to be a beacon of shining light in terms of quality and flavor to where it is now (for me at least) are two very different things.
2. CAO - When I started smoking, I enjoyed quite a few of their lines, especially including the MX2 and Brazilia. However, there was a noticeable point for me when quality dropped off in terms of both flavor and construction and now I steer clear of the brand entirely.
 
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Great topic. I was just thinking the other day about CAO. I was a CAO ho for awhile. Bought a box of CAO Gold every payday. It was my morning smoke. MX2, LX2, Brazilia, Italia, not to mention what Escaparates I've tried. The MX3 was little disappointing but the Bratalia is still one of my all time favorite cigars. Too bad they are gone. I chased all of CAOs new releases. Went to events.

Now I just walk by the CAO section of my local B&Ms. I don't know, maybe my tastes have changed. But I couldn't care less about CAO. I still covet the few Bratalia I have left.

The CAO MX2 is THE cigar that hooked me on this habit/hobby/addiction. It was the cigar that got me to join BOTL. Chasing more cigars with that profile. Now I can't even remember my last MX2. I just remember I was disappointed.

Improved, at least for me, I would say My Father. I hated them at first. Now I love them. Again it could be my tastes have changed.
 
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