F$%king mold

[MyFathersKeeper]

Yea man, I just can't figure out what the hell is causing condensation. I freeze everything so I'll probably just use it unplugged, not worried about 75ish degrees.

This is going to get nerdy. Stick with me.

The operative word in Rh is relative. What it's relative to is the important part.

Rh is the amount of moisture in the air relative to the maximum amount the air can hold at a given temp. aka Saturation Humidity vs Saturation Vapor Density. Increased temp will raise the latter.

So, if the Rh is 65% at 65 degrees & at 70 degrees, you'll have a higher saturation vapor density at the higher temp. ie more water vapor in the air.

When saturation density reaches the maximum vapor density is when you hit the dew point. Sudden drops in temperature can cause this. 75 degree ambient temp with a 65 Rh will create a dew point at 63 degrees. This is what's causing your condensation. The pane of glass separating inside/outside isn't thick enough to insulate/regulate that disparity.

So, the physics tell us that you have only two options. 1) Cool the ambient air temperature in the room. 2) Raise the temperature in the wineador a few degrees.

 

[LFOD]

This is a good point. I imagine those kings kick up some heat when they're running. Maybe I'll pull them. Is your drain hole covered?

No I never covered it.

 

[StogieJim]

This is going to get nerdy. Stick with me.

The operative word in Rh is relative. What it's relative to is the important part.

Rh is the amount of moisture in the air relative to the maximum amount the air can hold at a given temp. aka Saturation Humidity vs Saturation Vapor Density. Increased temp will raise the latter.

So, if the Rh is 65% at 65 degrees & at 70 degrees, you'll have a higher saturation vapor density at the higher temp. ie more water vapor in the air.

When saturation density reaches the maximum vapor density is when you hit the dew point. Sudden drops in temperature can cause this. 75 degree ambient temp with a 65 Rh will create a dew point at 63 degrees. This is what's causing your condensation. The pane of glass separating inside/outside isn't thick enough to insulate/regulate that disparity.

So, the physics tell us that you have only two options. 1) Cool the ambient air temperature in the room. 2) Raise the temperature in the wineador a few degrees.

Not sure I follow. The condensation was happening at 65 degrees. Since turning the unit off, I haven't seen any condensation...

 

[MyFathersKeeper]

The condensation was happening at 65 degrees.

But the air produced by the unit needs to be cooler than that to lower the temp to that level.

Since turning the unit off, I haven't seen any condensation

So, effectively, you've gone with #2. Now that it's warmer inside the fridge, the temperature disparity isn't as great.

 

[JG358]

We live enough to each other as well to have the same ambient environment too. I'm wondering if I should get rid of the fans and just wire in a cheap temp controller to keep it at 70. I never know when the fridge is running though because it's ALWAYS humming. As of now the thing is off and the drain plug is undone. I open it enough where maybe fans are just overkill and causing un-needed heat...??

That's what I'm thinking... mine are coming out(or at least getting unplugged).

 

[StogieJim]

But the air produced by the unit needs to be cooler than that to lower the temp to that level.



So, effectively, you've gone with #2. Now that it's warmer inside the fridge, the temperature disparity isn't as great.

Ahh gotcha, thanks for the clarification!

 

[StogieJim]

That's what I'm thinking... mine are coming out(or at least getting unplugged).

As are mine. Mine are soldered into an AC adapter, but I'll just splice em and save em in case I decide to wire them in again.

Are you thinking of just leaving it off, or are you going to get a temp controller?

 

[sofc]

This is going to get nerdy. Stick with me.

The operative word in Rh is relative. What it's relative to is the important part.

Rh is the amount of moisture in the air relative to the maximum amount the air can hold at a given temp. aka Saturation Humidity vs Saturation Vapor Density. Increased temp will raise the latter.

So, if the Rh is 65% at 65 degrees & at 70 degrees, you'll have a higher saturation vapor density at the higher temp. ie more water vapor in the air.

When saturation density reaches the maximum vapor density is when you hit the dew point. Sudden drops in temperature can cause this. 75 degree ambient temp with a 65 Rh will create a dew point at 63 degrees. This is what's causing your condensation. The pane of glass separating inside/outside isn't thick enough to insulate/regulate that disparity.

So, the physics tell us that you have only two options. 1) Cool the ambient air temperature in the room. 2) Raise the temperature in the wineador a few degrees.

You're so smart.

 

[JG358]

As are mine. Mine are soldered into an AC adapter, but I'll just splice em and save em in case I decide to wire them in again.

Are you thinking of just leaving it off, or are you going to get a temp controller?

I have to run mine in the summer, my house is to dang hot with out AC. I already hijacked the temp controls on mine.

 

[MyFathersKeeper]

You're so smart.

Your Rh thread radar was running slow. Thought I'd lend a hand in your absence.

 

[sofc]

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Your Rh thread radar was running slow. Thought I'd lend a hand in your absence.

Not slow. Sometimes you have to know when to stop.

 

[MyFathersKeeper]

Not slow. Sometimes you have to know when to stop.

Haha! I don't think you're there yet... Besides, quitting is for quitters. You're not a quitter, Ara. Not when Rh is involved.

 

[sofc]

Haha! I don't think you're there yet... Besides, quitting is for quitters. You're not a quitter, Ara. Not when Rh is involved.

I'm quitting.

 

[LFOD]

Yeah after thinking about it the fans are a non issue. It's the temperature differential between winodor and the room it's in. Probably the reason I never have trouble with mine at 66 is because I don't let the room its in get much warmer than 70 degrees (air conditioning).

 

[MyFathersKeeper]

I'm quitting.

I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[StogieJim]

Yeah after thinking about it the fans are a non issue. It's the temperature differential between winodor and the room it's in. Probably the reason I never have trouble with mine at 66 is because I don't let the room its in get much warmer than 70 degrees (air conditioning).

I've got air too but usually keep it at 75. Looks like the wino has stabilized at 75 degrees (without running it) so that makes sense. I think I'll just keep it this way. I'm not worried about 75 degrees. I keep the place at 72 degrees in the winter so that'll most likely be where the wino lives throughout the winter. I'll probably get a temp controller next spring right before it starts getting hot out again.

Probably still be pulling the fans anyways. I don't think they're necessary.

 

[JG358]

I have no complaints with the stc-1000. Easy to wire and doesn't have to be reprogramed if you loose power.

 

[StogieJim]

I have no complaints with the stc-1000. Easy to wire and doesn't have to be reprogramed if you loose power.

That's pretty sweet! How did you mount it on the back like that?

Do you just let the thermometer sit on the floor of the wino? I tried using double sided tape on my cpu fans up against the walls and the tape lost it's tackiness/melted and now the fans live on the wino floor.

 

[JG358]

That's pretty sweet! How did you mount it on the back like that?

Do you just let the thermometer sit on the floor of the wino? I tried using double sided tape on my cpu fans up against the walls and the tape lost it's tackiness/melted and now the fans live on the wino floor.

Used tin snips to cut out enough of the fins for the STC to fit and then used the supplied clip to hold it in place. I taped the thermometer to the side of the unit above my top shelf. I didn't have luck with the double sided tape either...ended up using Velcro dots to secure my fans.

 

[StogieJim]

Used tin snips to cut out enough of the fins for the STC to fit and then used the supplied clip to hold it in place. I taped the thermometer to the side of the unit above my top shelf. I didn't have luck with the double sided tape either...ended up using Velcro dots to secure my fans.

Ahh good call. Thanks man. That temp controller looks nice. I take it you ran it through the drain plug?

Velcro was smart. Double sided tape was definitely a no go!