And David... I remember the first time I saw your avatar and at first I thought "that's intesting... this guy has a forum branded avatar" and then your face popped in all Hecubus - like and then I got uncomfortable. I think it was the unnatural twitching of the eyebrows.
Mine is well 17 years of training. My boys are following as well. A 10 year old that holds a Black and a 9 that holds a red\black belt in Karate. Myself 3rd degree Karate and a Brown in BJJ.