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As noted in my intro thread, I have only recently returned to cigar smoking after a considerable break (10+ years). While I was away, the internet, as it has with just about everything, seems to have had a noticeable impact on cigars in terms of availability, selection, and certainly prices. I've noticed that the pricing a lot of on-line retailers list can be dramatically less when compared to my local B&M's. While I am very pro-small business, in this current economic state, it is difficult not to take notice of these differences.

I am most interested in what members thoughts are regarding on-line retailers. Do you like and use them? Why? Can't abide them? Why? Please provide your thoughts and experiences. I'd also be interested in hearing what impact, if any, on-line retailers are having on B&M's. Thanks for any insights.

(FWIW, I tried to use the "Search" function on this subject but did not find exactly what I was looking for.)
 

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On line retailers are cheaper if you have a favorite and want to buy a bunch. Or box splits if you just want to try them but local shops don't have them. I try to get new smokes from the local shop but once I have my favorites I think I will buy boxes on line.

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Yes I use online retailers. I like to buy the samplers they offer then if i find something i like I'll go pick one up at my B&M shop. May be backwards way of doing it but here in CA taxes are crazy so this way i know when i go to my B&M i am getting something i do like.
 

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I buy probably 95 percent of my stuff online. The only time I buy smokes are when I'm going to a herf at a store. When I first started smoking I would buy from the bm to see what I liked and get infomation from them. I then joined cigar boards like this one and got most of my information from them. I also get buy a lot of my smokes from other brothers. You can find lots of great deals this way and through daily specials that a lot of online places offer.






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I use the Devil site mostly, but when I see deals from some other online sites, if I have any cigar money will buy. I usually only buy 5'ers as I don't have room for too many boxes.

I also like to buy deals from other members selling them.

I also stop at the B&Ms every now and then just to go in and pick up a few singles of stuff I may want to try.
 
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Honestly, I think it just depends on your particular situation and a bit on your (for lack of a better word) politics.

I like supporting local businesses and I despise the WalMarts of the world. Just me. If for that reason alone, I like going to and buying from my BM. Do I pay a premium for that? I sure do. But at the BM, I am getting a lot more than I would get at an online retailer. I have personally been introduced and shared cigars with manufacturers, rollers, reps, etc., all of whom have contributed to my cigar education.

And the BM (if it is any good) reciprocates and understands who its important customers are. A lot of folks are wondering whether Dion's/Drew's new "Nosotros" is going to be any good. The answer is "yeah"...I tried a pre-production sample that my BM gave me two weeks ago. They know I like that kind of thing and that I'll probably buy a box and so as soon as I walk in, Jose says..."I got something for you."

And then there is the most important reason... :grin:

Jose (proprietor) gets the Frank. He'll get the Drac...he created the Porkchop...a lot of that stuff runs straight through Gloucester St., so there is no running around trying to chase some of the limited release stuff. Doesn't help with the other limited release stuff run through the other shops, obviously, but that is why I have you monkeys... :grin:
 

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I buy online and my local. Just depends on who has the best price and availability. Sometimes my local beats the online prices and I give him the business.
 

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Honestly, I think it just depends on your particular situation and a bit on your (for lack of a better word) politics.

I like supporting local businesses and I despise the WalMarts of the world. Just me. If for that reason alone, I like going to and buying from my BM. Do I pay a premium for that? I sure do. But at the BM, I am getting a lot more than I would get at an online retailer. I have personally been introduced and shared cigars with manufacturers, rollers, reps, etc., all of whom have contributed to my cigar education.

And the BM (if it is any good) reciprocates and understands who its important customers are. A lot of folks are wondering whether Dion's/Drew's new "Nosotros" is going to be any good. The answer is "yeah"...I tried a pre-production sample that my BM gave me two weeks ago. They know I like that kind of thing and that I'll probably buy a box and so as soon as I walk in, Jose says..."I got something for you."

And then there is the most important reason... :grin:

Jose (proprietor) gets the Frank. He'll get the Drac...he created the Porkchop...a lot of that stuff runs straight through Gloucester St., so there is no running around trying to chase some of the limited release stuff. Doesn't help with the other limited release stuff run through the other shops, obviously, but that is why I have you monkeys... :grin:
I couldn't agree more, I just wish there was a shop like yours within an hour of me.
 
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Here's the deal- I've worked in a B&M store for a year now to help out the owner when she was in a pinch and needed to head out of town or whatnot. Consequently, I've gotten a pretty candid view of the cigar industry from the small business perspective, and I have to say: it's impossible for a B&M to compete in pricing, especially in a small area like mine.

Also, I should note that the figures I cite are after a now 52% state tobacco tax as well as the FedGov's SCHIP bullshite.

Typically, on smaller boutique cigars, a B&M can go direct (assuming they have their distributor's license) and get some very good deals. Most of the cigars in the humidor fall between $7.99 and $11.99, with the majority of those actually hovering between $7.99 and $9.99. That's after a 100% markup, so essentially the cost for us is $4-5 per stick. That's actually a reasonably priced cigar in California (eyes are popping at this point, I know, but for us, many cigars are $14-15 per stick).

The issue comes with the larger more known cigars. Arturo Fuente, Partagas, Romeo y Julieta, etc. With these cigars, even when we go direct we cannot get very good deals. Case in point: AF Short Stories. We retail them for $11.49, so effectively our cost hovers around $5.75 a stick. If you check out Famous, which doesn't necessarily have the best deal on the net, their price for a 25 count box is $130. Assuming you can wing free shipping, you are getting the stoges for $5.20 a piece.

Here's the link: http://www.famous-smoke.com/arturo+fuente+short+story+cigars/item+7281?Nav=&Ne=

That means that any average American can actually buy those cigars for less than our direct cost, before retail markup and our shipping charges.

So now that we've settled that, let's focus on what a good cigar store can do to stay in business. Cigars Ltd. in Fresno is a good example: they've got an amazing atmosphere to their store, they've got a tremendous selection and most importantly they have a certain camaraderie to the aspect of being one of the store's unspoken "preferred members". All shops have their regulars, so fostering this connection really helps. Unfortunately, even in our case, our regulars often times buy the majority of their cigars online and come in for one-here-one-there purchases. This makes business very tough.

Another thing to do is creative contests. Setup contests in which your members can walk away with something very nice for very little, but make it so you can make some serious cash in the process. For instance, if you purchased a Vanderburgh Humidor for $700 and held a raffle with $5 tickets, limited at 300, you can do the math to see that you just made $800 profit on a $700 investment.

Not that any of that is revolutionary, but all too often I see these cigar lounges slip into the doldrums of selling cigars- and that's about it. Figuring out new ways to excite your customers to keep them coming back is, I believe, the key to the business staying afloat. And consequently, that's the only tangible advantage Brick and Mortar stores have on big outlets like Famous or CI. They have the ability to bring a personal touch and an exclusive feel to the hobby... and for this reason, I don't see well managed, well run and well stocked B&M stores going out of business. It's the stores that still live in the early 90s that will likely take the hit and go down the tubes, thinking that their customers will still walk in off the street on their own volition.
 

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Thanks for your post Jayson. Great to get that perspective.

I've gotten a few samplers online for incredible prices, but I buy the vast majority of my smokes from my local B&Ms. It's nice to be able to walk inside of a humi and have a conversation with the proprietor about cigars. Cigars ARE a social hobby and I really see the purchasing and window shopping as part of it.
 
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Good points from all. I'm a b&m guy for many of the reasons listed earlier.

But i can see why some are online guys, some don't have much of a choice.

i am very lucky I live in a city with a great b&m.
 
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If you're looking at this very narrowly from a price per stick perspective, then yeah...I would think online would be the way to go.

As I (and others) have mentioned, though, the premium you are paying at the BM is not really "wasted." I don't belong to a club or a lounge or anything like that, but I tend to treat the BM with its supercomfy couches and chairs that way. For me, I see the premium as my "dues" that I would otherwise have to pay if I belonged to a lounge.

Great story that I remembered after I initially posted in this thread. Apparently, at one point, Pete was supposed to come to Gloucester St. last Halloween for a Frank release party. Other plans got in the way and he didn't show. C'est la vie but (like a kid), I was kinda bummed because I wanted him to autograph my box (which I keep in a locker at the shop).

Long story short, one Saturday afternoon I walk in to the shop and Jose tells me he has something for me. He goes to my locker and pulls out the box of Franks. He flips it over and Pete has signed it with a big "To Matt..."

I never said a word about being disappointed to Jose. He just knew that I would appreciate a box signed by Pete and made sure to get it done when he had a chance. Yeah...more than happy to pay a few bucks more per stick for that.

Now, children, what is the moral of this story?

The moral of this story is that if you look in the right locker in the right cigar shop in Boston, you'll find a complete sealed box of unopened Franks, signed by PJ. Bitches! :grin:
 

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There are very few cigars I DON'T buy online only. Illusione is one, and I buy some Tatuaje in-store as well. Other than that, I buy everything on-line because it is MUCH cheaper and the quality is (in my opinion) just as good as long as you let them rest a bit after shipping.

I only have one decent B&M near me and I DO NOT like the prices (20% over retail!!) or the condition he keeps his sticks in. But the selection is great. A hour south of me is Jungle Jim's, where they have a nice little humidor and a weekly tasting. That place is awesome, has better prices, and the guy who runs it is really cool. He's also said he'll try his best to match online prices for me in the future ... and I'd much rather help him out by purchasing there than buy online. I always pick up at least a few sticks when I'm there.

Now to clarify--by "online" I mean places like here at BOTL (I've purchased and traded for many sticks here and have had great experiences) as well as New Havana Cigars, Taboo, Atlantic, Holts, Famous Smoke, Cigars International, and Cigarbid.
 

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I will add to my response above, adding that I have to buy online due to smoking pretty much every day now, and maybe 2 on weekend days.
I cannot afford that kind of new habit (or hobby) strictly from a B&M.

I wouldn't get to try the variety that I try, I can't find the $2-3 cigars that I smoke during the week, and when I go in, I usually don't know exactly what I am wanting to try anyway. I think they prefer talking to the more experienced smoker, at least in my opinion.
Maybe that will change if and when my palate picks up more flavors.

However, this thought ran across my mind just now...had I not been ordering online, would I have the stick a day habit (or hobby)?
 
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