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I know that there is a site that has a bad trader list. I thought that it was vitolas.net but I can't find it. Little help please.:dunno:
 

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Wow, I never knew this existed. While I find that this 'might' have a purpose, is there ANY kind of over-site? Can someone just go on there and post? I see someone on there that I have traded with and been bombed many times with no issue. In fact he has maybe a thousand positive traders.

I mean, look at this one - Bought and traded to sell on Yahoo and Ebay.
- I guess if that is his sole purpose, then it should be made known.

However,

What is wrong with this? If I buy something - I can do whatever the hell I want with it, smoke it, put it in a blender, give it away, or at a later time, sell it.

I feel the same way with a trade.

The only issue I would have is if someone gives you something.
 

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Wow, I never knew this existed. While I find that this 'might' have a purpose, is there ANY kind of over-site? Can someone just go on there and post? I see someone on there that I have traded with and been bombed many times with no issue. In fact he has maybe a thousand positive traders.

I mean, look at this one - Bought and traded to sell on Yahoo and Ebay.
- I guess if that is his sole purpose, then it should be made known.

However,

What is wrong with this? If I buy something - I can do whatever the hell I want with it, smoke it, put it in a blender, give it away, or at a later time, sell it.

I feel the same way with a trade.

The only issue I would have is if someone gives you something.
the oversite is other cigar smokers. this site is extremely popular for the Cigar Family board.

while what you trade for or buy is yours, there is a different way to look at this. I will talk from personal experience.

some of you guys might remember when Fuente released a small batch of unreleased cigars to the Cigar Family board. The CF guys called them "13"s because there was 13 in a box. they were not released to stores, just to CF members, and very limited. might have been 100 boxes. anyway, by time the dust settled, the value of these cigars went as high as $100 for each cigar, so $1300 was possible for just 1 box that we paid $130 for.

I had managed to get 3 intact boxes plus some singles. I was a big Fuente collector back then, and had nice connections. I paid $130 a box from my CF friends. When I decided to sell my Fuente collection, I sold the "13" for $130 a box, exactly what I paid. I sold them to CF members.

My point of all this if we call each other "brothers" then we should not be profiting off each other. Myself, and some of my CF buddies could have made killings on hard to get, and unreleased fuente cigars. I am not bragging, just making a point. Because of the members of CF, I had multiple boxes of BTL's. I had about 12 boxes of original release Anejos that were worth a small fortune. all these came from CF connections. would it have been right of me to go sell these at some auction site? if i did, i would have been put on the list, and rightly so.

lets say you have some expensive, hard to get cigars. as a favor to a BOTL memeber, you sell him some hard to gets at what you paid which was below market price. now he sells them to somebody else at a profit. would I trade with him again? no way. would I out him publically? you bet your balls I would.
 

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the oversite is other cigar smokers. this site is extremely popular for the Cigar Family board.

while what you trade for or buy is yours, there is a different way to look at this. I will talk from personal experience.

some of you guys might remember when Fuente released a small batch of unreleased cigars to the Cigar Family board. The CF guys called them "13"s because there was 13 in a box. they were not released to stores, just to CF members, and very limited. might have been 100 boxes. anyway, by time the dust settled, the value of these cigars went as high as $100 for each cigar, so $1300 was possible for just 1 box that we paid $130 for.

I had managed to get 3 intact boxes plus some singles. I was a big Fuente collector back then, and had nice connections. I paid $130 a box from my CF friends. When I decided to sell my Fuente collection, I sold the "13" for $130 a box, exactly what I paid. I sold them to CF members.

My point of all this if we call each other "brothers" then we should not be profiting off each other. Myself, and some of my CF buddies could have made killings on hard to get, and unreleased fuente cigars. I am not bragging, just making a point. Because of the members of CF, I had multiple boxes of BTL's. I had about 12 boxes of original release Anejos that were worth a small fortune. all these came from CF connections. would it have been right of me to go sell these at some auction site? if i did, i would have been put on the list, and rightly so.

lets say you have some expensive, hard to get cigars. as a favor to a BOTL memeber, you sell him some hard to gets at what you paid which was below market price. now he sells them to somebody else at a profit. would I trade with him again? no way. would I out him publically? you bet your balls I would.

I agree with you Ron, on this scenario. I don't really have any such HTF sticks. I am always one to sell for less. But, I could also understand that if someone is in hard times and has something that they know they could get money for (that they need) and others are willing to buy - then it' good. I also never understood when people sell, for whatever reason; need space, need money, etc... that they seem to put the caveat- hey this is what I paid for it. Well maybe, you paid too much.
 
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