Fakes?

[Nosmo King]

I think openendstraight summed it up quite well!

 

[ciggy]

Ok I'm a real Noob at CC's but my question is if they have the ceder wrap with the band and discription, what would prevent them from just slipping in a fake or any other cigar for that matter. It seems you could slide any cigar into that sleeve and you would think you have the real thing.

 

[tandblov]

As far as why would anyone fake a $3 cigar.

First off just because most of us know how much these sticks go for, doesn't mean everyone does. Some people might pay 4 or 5 times that for a stick they think is Cuban if they did not know anything about cigars and prices. Most people that have never smoked cigars hear Cuban , and just want to try one because they no they are not allowed.

Second if someone faked said cigar and only had $2 or $3 dollars into it, but could sell it for 4 or 5 times that, don't you think it becomes profitable at that point. The is a profit of $10 to $15 per cigar.
I am not saying that the cigar in question is not a cuban, just that I doubt it is a RyJ Petit Corona, which is what they are trying to pass it off as.

I disagree with much of what you posted.

first, these are not passing as RyJ PC's. They are Coronitas en cedro. Previous incarnations were machine made, although now they could be tripa corta. And they are CHEAP. So cheap that to fake one is stupid. It's no different as to fake a JLP or a Quintero. Why fake a particular cigar that no one has really heard of (its not like they are very good or popular? I've never seen it.

Counterfitters stick to high return products with enough name recognition to snare the unaware, not 2 dollar peso cigar.

I'll bet they are real...not very good cigars, but real. If your friend paid more than a couple of bucks for it, then THAT's where the rip off was.

 

[D Quintero]

ive split a few boxes.
they often deceptively sport blotches and other non uniformity imperfections.
fakes are a big $$ business so i doubt this is one
good albeit sometimes ugly smokes.

 

[dpricenator]

I disagree with much of what you posted.

first, these are not passing as RyJ PC's. They are Coronitas en cedro. Previous incarnations were machine made, although now they could be tripa corta. And they are CHEAP. So cheap that to fake one is stupid. It's no different as to fake a JLP or a Quintero. Why fake a particular cigar that no one has really heard of (its not like they are very good or popular? I've never seen it.

Counterfitters stick to high return products with enough name recognition to snare the unaware, not 2 dollar peso cigar.

I'll bet they are real...not very good cigars, but real. If your friend paid more than a couple of bucks for it, then THAT's where the rip off was.

ive split a few boxes.
they often deceptively sport blotches and other non uniformity imperfections.
fakes are a big $$ business so i doubt this is one
good albeit sometimes ugly smokes.

whether or not you think it is "good business" to fake this cigar is not really the point.

the band is obviously wrong. Why would you bet against proof like that?

 

[tandblov]

whether or not you think it is "good business" to fake this cigar is not really the point.

the band is obviously wrong. Why would you bet against proof like that?

Sorry, but you are wrong about the band. The band is exactly correct for RyJs produced after 2008. The picture posted is of the older band.

so, again we see how disecting the minutea of bands leads to inaccurate conclusions about authenticity.

 

[dpricenator]

Sorry, but you are wrong about the band. The band is exactly correct for RyJs produced after 2008. The picture posted is of the older band.

so, again we see how disecting the minutea of bands leads to inaccurate conclusions about authenticity.

touche:dunno: I have nothing to back up my claim except the endless pages of google images that do not show the word cuba.

 

[tandblov]

well, those pictured aren't wrong, just representative of the old band.

 

[openendstraight]

I disagree with much of what you posted.

first, these are not passing as RyJ PC's. They are Coronitas en cedro. Previous incarnations were machine made, although now they could be tripa corta. And they are CHEAP. So cheap that to fake one is stupid. It's no different as to fake a JLP or a Quintero. Why fake a particular cigar that no one has really heard of (its not like they are very good or popular? I've never seen it.

Counterfitters stick to high return products with enough name recognition to snare the unaware, not 2 dollar peso cigar.

I'll bet they are real...not very good cigars, but real. If your friend paid more than a couple of bucks for it, then THAT's where the rip off was.

Disagree all you want, but you only know that it is cheap and not a good cigar because you are a cigar smoker. If everyone was an informed cigar smoker their would not be a market for glass top Cohiba fakes, or any other for that matter.

If you want to get very technical it is a pic of a Petit Cetros en Cedro 40 x 5, i typed Petit Carona by mistake.

And just because you have never seen it I guess that closes the discussion.

As i said before, smoke it and if you like it who cares.

 

[tandblov]

again, the OP photo and the subsequent pictures are of a CORONITAS EN CEDRO, which is a petite cetro vitola. The OP's have the new bands.

but by all means, if you want to think counterfiters are going after obscure low tier machine made cigars to exploit novice smoker, then go for it.

 

[David]

I, also, would be highly surprised if time and effort went into counterfeiting such a low grade cuban cigar.

 

[Jfire]

Disagree all you want, but you only know that it is cheap and not a good cigar because you are a cigar smoker. If everyone was an informed cigar smoker their would not be a market for glass top Cohiba fakes, or any other for that matter.

If you want to get very technical it is a pic of a Petit Cetros en Cedro 40 x 5, i typed Petit Carona by mistake.

And just because you have never seen it I guess that closes the discussion.

As i said before, smoke it and if you like it who cares.

Don if you go to Habanos Sa website you can see your pic of the old band. But if you look at newer lines of RyJ (short churches and other new releases) they all carry the words Habana Cuba on the bottom of the band.
I would also doubt anyone would fake these but who knows. My guess when I first saw them was they are real but the purchaser prob paid 10 bucks for them and thats where the money was made.a
Also have a couple ELs from 09 with the new glossier band and Habana Cuba as well. Just think there new bands.

 

[indyrob]

serious?

 

[Treinenwj]

Wow, all this debate over these. He coulda smoked 'em both and put this all to rest by now.

 

[Jfire]

Whats wrong with a little learnin' along the way(for myself). Wether it is a CC or NC thats 2 or 20 dollars. Btw I looked in my singles humi. The suspect cigar also has the Havan Cuba markings.

 

[oldglory]

Just light it up over a nice glass of scotch. If the cigar does suck well.......at least the scotch was good.


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[Clint]

Okay okay I confess!!

I made them in my garage and sold them to Nosomo's buddy!

 

[indyrob]

It's crazy that so much time and mental effort has been spent on a cigar.

It's a genuine cigar so smoke it and enjoy it.

 

[Nosmo King]

This has been quite an enlightening thread gents, but I think this is the BEST post:

Just light it up over a nice glass of scotch. If the cigar does suck well.......at least the scotch was good.


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[Don Andres]

why would someone counterfeit a $3 smoke? with the cedar and all.... hmmmm....

That is the correct logic. These are R&J Coronitas en Cedro, not nearly a likely cigar to be counterfeit. These are not uncommon, but are very popular for the taste and value.

Enjoy these delicious smokes. The '09 have been a bit more herbal-brandywine, one of my favorite small R&J.

Cheers
Drew P