icehog3
Outlaw Hockey Biker
That's what I understand to be the case as well.
Exactly.
Play all the football you want, make more money in one year than most of us will make in 3 lifetimes. But no dogs for you.
Michael Vick wants to own a dog
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Play all the football you want, make more money in one year than most of us will make in 3 lifetimes. But no dogs for you.
Cigar Cowboy
BoY...in Hell!!!
I agree :stretchgr
And when he goes to hell I hope he is chased by the Hounds of Hades for eternity although the way he rushes with the football I bet he could out run them. :stretchgr
slave2theaxe
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing
Don't make assumptions just because I now live in the city...I grew up in rural country and grew up in and around plenty of rodeo...
Does a flank strap cause permanent injury to an animal? Of course not, but are you telling me that the animal enjoys the experience?
Calf roping...Does it injure the animal? No, but I'm sure the calf loves that experience as well.
I've personally witnessed some fairly docile animals go "ape shit" when you cinch up a flank strap around thier abdomen...I wonder why? Let me do the same to you and see if you enjoy it. Go ahead and give me that "It doesn't hurt the animal" line all day long...How the hell do you know, did the animal tell you? Generally, animals tend to get pissed off when you do something they don't like, because it's the only means of communication they have...they can't say "Can you please stop that...it hurts", so instead they get pissed off and try to hurt you back.
So is it only torture if you cause injury? Forcing/provoking an animal to do something that it doesn't want to do doesn't apply right?
I'm not saying we should ban rodeo and I am by no means a PETA freak so don't try and lump me in with those dipshits, but don't try and feed me that crap about it not hurting the animal, because that's what it is...crap.
I'm sure we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
You cannot compare rodeo to dogfighting. Rodeo is done with every intent not to harm any animals. Afterall a prize bull or mustang is worth a LOT of money. Dogfighting is done with every intent to kill the animals. Two very different worlds.
slave2theaxe
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing
My point is you are causing pain to an animal for the purpose of entertainment...are they seriously injured, no...but does that make it more acceptable???
I guess so...
Regardless of personal opinions on the matter, rodeo is legal. Dogfighting and brutally torturing and killing dogs is not. Vick plead guilty, served his time, and is working again. However, per his plea agreement, he can't ever own a dog.
I'm not really sure where all this debate is coming from. If a guy pleads guilty to any other crime, say murder, and is sentenced to life w/out parole, can he later say "hey, I decided I want to go home now, is that ok?". Basically, that's what he's doing. He said he won't own a dog, so why start asking for one now?
Cigar Cowboy
BoY...in Hell!!!
B.S. If you spent any fair amount of time around rodeo you would not have made such an asinine comment. You could not begin to have spent as much time around rodeo as I have. I have spent so much time around it I hope I never see one again. But I still won't let some one spread propaganda about it. You arguing with me about rodeo is kind of like you telling a doctor you know more about a surgery than he does.
A flank strap for a horse is made of leather covered in fleece for the horses comfort. They are pulled snug to intensify the horse's action. We breed horse that like to buck to other horse that like to buck to get good buckers. These horses are very valuable and get the best care possible. They work very little and spend most of their life in huge pastures on stock contractor ranches. These horse will buck without a flank strap, but the flank strap insures good action by the horse at every rodeo. These horses love to buck. If they don't like to buck they are not a good rodeo horse and they are sold off.
I have owned cattle most of my life. I have roped thousands of calves to brand and doctor. They are very hearty animals. Rodeo is kinder then ranches are to calves. They have a rule that a calf can only be used in 10 rodeos so as not to stress the animal. Roping them by the neck does not hurt them as they have very strong neck muscles. They get up and run off just fine.
Put a belt on your dog, not tight just on him. He will run around and try to get it off. Does it hurt him? No BTW "docile" is hardly a word use to describe bucking stock.
No offense but you sound like an emotional little girl
Because you build relationships with your animals. You start to learn that animals have personality. Roping steers I have owned for practice tell you when they are sick. So you doctor them and don't rope them. If you do you might end up with a dead animal. How do you know when a horse has colic. It is not something some idiot sitting in the stands would know, but I guarantee the owner of that horse knows the animal is not feeling well. I have owned bulls, cows, calves. horse and dogs. Their body languages tells us a lot. But you would have had to own these animals to now that. Maybe you have had a dog? You get to know your horses and cows just like you know your dog.
Wrong mister expert. I just explained it too you. But you keep reading your PETA brochures
Well besides the fact that most rodeo bulls and broncs love what they do I am a believer in "Animal Welfare" not "Animal Rights". I would not hurt an animal and I would stop animal cruelty if I saw it. But we can use animals for our needs as long as we are responsible and humane owners. We are just higher on the food chain and I can tell you that rodeo animals are treated 10x better than any other livestock out there.
1st if rodeo was cruel animal torture why wouldn't you want to ban it? I would. If I thought it was cruel I want it stopped. But I love those bucking horse and those bulls and I know they have a great life. If they didn't I would not be a part of it.
I can see I am going to have to through some stats for you.
Below was a survey done to see how many rodeo animals were injured. This survey includes the bucking bulls, broncs, roping calves, steers, and all animals used in the events. This is the largest survey of rodeo animals done, from one 1999 rodeo and fifty-six 2000 rodeos. As with the last survey done, the injury rate was very low- indicating that rodeo animals are well cared for and the PRCA's welfare rules have been effective. Out of 17,743 animals, only 38 showed injuries ( which is .00052 percent). Although often looked upon as a 'rough' sport, you can see that it is actually very well regulated. Especially compare these figures to horse racing, often looked upon as more refined, where an estimated 1/3 of horses are injured.
Statistics
TOTAL ANIMAL EXPOSURES: 71,743
NUMBER OF RODEO PERFORMANCES: 187
NUMBER OF RODEOS: 57
NUMBER OF INJURIES: 38
PERCENTAGE OF INJURY: .00052
Since this survey was done the rules and requirements of the PRCA have even become more strict so I am sure if this study was redone we would even seen better results.
I love animals and I will not stand for animal cruelty, but rodeo has lower injury rate than horse racing or even English hunter jumper. So get your facts straight and don't believe that shit you have been fed.
BTW Did I mention I was an Equine Science major in College? I have followed and observed the wild mustangs (Feral Horses) in California, Nevada and Utah studying their behavior with some of the BLMs leading biologists for weeks at a time. You might say I am a bit of an expect on body language of horses.
Who needs a halter? Not me. LOL This was taken just before I started torturing him.
You think you might be arguing with the wrong person on this subject? Do we need a poll?
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Greg
BoM October 2006
Maybe he should start with a goldfish first. :grin:
Actually, I don't think it's any of my business, but when I think about it, maybe it would be a great thing for him to take in a shelter dog, maybe saving its life.
Just a thought.
Actually, I don't think it's any of my business, but when I think about it, maybe it would be a great thing for him to take in a shelter dog, maybe saving its life.
Just a thought.
Cigar Cowboy
BoY...in Hell!!!
Hi Greg,
You make a good point.
There are two prison programs that have had some major success with rehabilitating inmates, where criminals do not return to prison for any other crimes. One is a prison dog program, the other has even a better success rate and that is a prison horse program. Prisoners were assigned a dog or a horse to care for while doing there time.
My grandfather use to say "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse".
I still believe prison is a punishment and not a rehabilitation center, but these programs can not hurt.
However, someone who can kill dogs by drowning and other disgusting methods proves the guy has a bad bone "no pun intended". He is not a good person. I put them up there with a person who commits crimes on children. I agree with the judge "no dawg" for you MFer :stretchgr
That dog killing SOB sure can play some football though. I think he is currently the best QB in the NFL. Part of that is that killer bone he has. He is a monster on and off the field.
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well,,,that was entertaining! simmer down there cowboy!! :glassesgr
i say no. it was part of the sentencing. he can always petition the judge... and the judge will say, "come back in three years and we'll revisit..."
i say no. it was part of the sentencing. he can always petition the judge... and the judge will say, "come back in three years and we'll revisit..."
Cigar Cowboy
BoY...in Hell!!!
WhiteWolfIndulgence
Prince Sascha
This may seem harsh but I never said I was nice. First we need to make sure Vick NEVER owns a pet EVER. He's already set a precedent.
Second, honestly, he needs to be shot in the face. I'll tolerate a LOT of bad things, (politicians, lawyers, bad daytime tv) but his crimes were unforgivable. :riflefire
Second, honestly, he needs to be shot in the face. I'll tolerate a LOT of bad things, (politicians, lawyers, bad daytime tv) but his crimes were unforgivable. :riflefire
Greg
BoM October 2006
Isn't the ban on owning a dog supposed to last just for the duration of his probation?
After that, he's free to do whatever he wants, right?
Greg
BoM October 2006
Smart man....did he also ever mention your resemblance to the postman? :grinFU:
Just a reminder to those who may have forgotten, once you are convicted of a felony you have lost some rights, permanently. Two that come to mind are the right to vote and the right to own a firearm. Just because he has served his "debt" to society does not mean his life will return to normal with all commensurate freedoms.
Greg
BoM October 2006
True, and he can appeal immediately after his probation is finished for decision that results in a non-conviction (in layman's terms, it's having your civil rights restored).
It's likely that he'll be able to vote again, not so sure on the firearm considering his conviction, because they were Federal charges, right?
Anyhow, I do not believe his right to own an animal can be taken away by a felony conviction. Unless of course it was part of the deal, which I believe only covers the duration of his probation.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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slave2theaxe
Anything worth doing is worth overdoing
This right here is the crap that pisses me off...let's shoot him in the face for fighting/killing dogs...
Are you f#%*ing serious???
I hope if you ever make a mistake, the person deciding your fate isn't as ignorant.
I'm done with this topic...it's pissing me off and I'd hate to taint this place that I love to visit everyday.
I'm going back to the cigar related topics...its less hostile over there...lol
Cigar Cowboy
BoY...in Hell!!!
I am afriad to ask...what postman?