This Is Not How It Is Supposed to End
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This is a very sad and troubling story of war casualty. Clay was a hero who said ""If I had one thing to say to my fellow veterans, it would be this: Continue to serve, even though we have taken off our uniforms," Hunt wrote in an online testimonial for Team Rubicon. "No matter how great or small your service is, it is desired and needed by the world we live in today."
Please continue to pray with me for our men and women in uniform that fight every day of their lives for our freedom. Rest in peace, Clay Hunt. May his family and friends find comfort in this time of great loss.
Please continue to pray with me for our men and women in uniform that fight every day of their lives for our freedom. Rest in peace, Clay Hunt. May his family and friends find comfort in this time of great loss.
Paint me whichever way you wish, but I gotta speak up here.
Read the article.
Pay attention to these excerpts -
Then we read -
Now, the "meat and potatoes" -
1) Divorce
2) Financial Obligations
3) Dropped out of School
4) Suicidal Thoughts
They blamed the Marines. WTF???
Read the article.
Pay attention to these excerpts -
you don't get selected for this type of school if you have ANY type of "disability".
Then we read -
What disability are we talking about here?
No argument on this fustercluck, the GI Bill payment system is f*cked up.
Now, the "meat and potatoes" -
Last YEAR.
Now, he had an ongoing case with the VA about his "disability", but was contemplating going back in? Anyone else see a problem here?
Because they want to BLAME something or someone - instead of looking at the OBVIOUS facts -
1) Divorce
2) Financial Obligations
3) Dropped out of School
4) Suicidal Thoughts
They blamed the Marines. WTF???
ciggy
"TommyBoy"
I think the point is how the Government gives two shits less when a service member is no longer of THEIR USE. It hard to adjust to the civilian life for some guys and that's just another casualty of war or service time. When it's all said and done...Our governement could care less about it's vet's or there organizations. I belong to a couple veteran organizations and see the bureaucracy our old and new vets are challenged with.
I always told my brother I wasn't in it for Uncle Sam...I was in it for the American People.
Maybe if the Governemnt helped this kid out sooner rather than later his life would have been a whole lot different. A vet in my oppinion should not have to wait in any line.
I always told my brother I wasn't in it for Uncle Sam...I was in it for the American People.
Maybe if the Governemnt helped this kid out sooner rather than later his life would have been a whole lot different. A vet in my oppinion should not have to wait in any line.
No matter why or how, still a tragic story. Sad, very sad.
JNT
The Bull
@tobii3
I think the fight is to recognize post traumatic stress disorder to qualify as a disability. Here in Canada a police officers family finally won that decision after their father took his own life after dealing with years of guilt over an incident. You can read more here... http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/mark_bonokoski/2009/01/25/8139281-sun.html
Its possible, or at least a significant factor that PTSD led to all those problems in his life, like divorce, suicidal thoughts, etc... I've seen it first hand, and when someone has it bad, its tough to watch their life slowly unravel over years. The length of time it takes for the shit to hit the fan, makes it tough to link it all together, and pin it on the outcome of a single event or events.
I think the fight is to recognize post traumatic stress disorder to qualify as a disability. Here in Canada a police officers family finally won that decision after their father took his own life after dealing with years of guilt over an incident. You can read more here... http://www.torontosun.com/news/columnists/mark_bonokoski/2009/01/25/8139281-sun.html
Its possible, or at least a significant factor that PTSD led to all those problems in his life, like divorce, suicidal thoughts, etc... I've seen it first hand, and when someone has it bad, its tough to watch their life slowly unravel over years. The length of time it takes for the shit to hit the fan, makes it tough to link it all together, and pin it on the outcome of a single event or events.
Herein lies the problem with PTSD -
When they "diagnose" a clerk, who has NEVER deployed, with PTSD, there is something WRONG.
NOBODY out there is going to fix "you"...only YOU can "fix" yourself.
Blaming PTSD, blaming Marines, blaming everything BUT the Individual who COMMITTED the act? How friggin cowardly have we become? We can't admit that someone CHOSE to end their life, we have to find something to BLAME?
There is NO ONE left to blame for this. The only one that can be blamed? He's dead. Who's fault is that? HIS FAULT. He Loaded the gun, he aimed the gun, he pulled the trigger. Marines didn't. PTSD didn't. HE DID.
When the American Society can finally figure out that we are headed down the wrong path by balming evrything EXCEPT the obvious, then, and maybe only then, will we make forward progress.
Let me put it in perspective -
88 people kill themselves EVERY DAY in America.
18 Veterans kill themselves EVERY DAY in America.
Are we going to blame everything EXCEPT the person?
When they "diagnose" a clerk, who has NEVER deployed, with PTSD, there is something WRONG.
NOBODY out there is going to fix "you"...only YOU can "fix" yourself.
Blaming PTSD, blaming Marines, blaming everything BUT the Individual who COMMITTED the act? How friggin cowardly have we become? We can't admit that someone CHOSE to end their life, we have to find something to BLAME?
There is NO ONE left to blame for this. The only one that can be blamed? He's dead. Who's fault is that? HIS FAULT. He Loaded the gun, he aimed the gun, he pulled the trigger. Marines didn't. PTSD didn't. HE DID.
When the American Society can finally figure out that we are headed down the wrong path by balming evrything EXCEPT the obvious, then, and maybe only then, will we make forward progress.
Let me put it in perspective -
88 people kill themselves EVERY DAY in America.
18 Veterans kill themselves EVERY DAY in America.
Are we going to blame everything EXCEPT the person?
JNT
The Bull
I have to respectfully disagree. It's obviously open for abuse.
When someone has PTSD, the problem is they can't right themselves when it's not being recognized, and their being told to suck it up, and offered no help in dealing with the issues. Not everyone is Charlie Sheen and can heal themselves with the power of their mind to make it so. Some people need the help. If it was caused by serving us, the least we can do is return the favor by offering our help and support.
When someone has PTSD, the problem is they can't right themselves when it's not being recognized, and their being told to suck it up, and offered no help in dealing with the issues. Not everyone is Charlie Sheen and can heal themselves with the power of their mind to make it so. Some people need the help. If it was caused by serving us, the least we can do is return the favor by offering our help and support.
So, do tell, how do YOU recognize it.
Since you can tell when someone "has it", please, enlighten the rest of the world.
PTSD doesn't come from "being" a Soldier, a Marine, an Airman or a Sailor.
PTSD has become an EXCUSE, not an explanation. THAT is the PROBLEM.
Marine kills himself - AH! It's because of PTSD!
Soldier robs Bank - AH! It's because of PTSD!
Sailor rapes woman - AH! it's because of PTSD!
Read the headlines. It's in black and white.
I've been a Paratrooper for 21 years now, just finished my 22nd year on Active Duty and am currently deployed - I'm more than qualified to make just an "opinion" on the subject.
JNT
The Bull
Never claimed to be an expert on recognizing it, but I believe it's out there, and real.
Read the link to the article I posted. When a guy never stops talking about an incident, then shoots himself in a hotel room decades after an event, surrounded by notes, and newspaper clippings of the incident, its an obvious one (to me). Other cases may not be so obvious.
As I stated, its open to abuse, just like back injuries. You don't doubt people suffer from back injuries do you? Sure there are those out there that BS the system.
It ruined my friends life, and family. He was 100% not the same person after the incident, and scary to be around. 7 years later he is only now rebuilding his career, and trying to get back to a normal life. This has only happened through lots of help, and support, which was in place right after the incident. Thats my first hand knowledge of just one case that was close to me. I don't advertise my career, but I'm more than qualified to make just an "opinion" on the subject also.
Regardless of qualifications to make an opinion on it, I would like to think that finally in this day and age, yours is in the minority. If your a doubter, that's fine. Hopefully you never have to deal with it.
Read the link to the article I posted. When a guy never stops talking about an incident, then shoots himself in a hotel room decades after an event, surrounded by notes, and newspaper clippings of the incident, its an obvious one (to me). Other cases may not be so obvious.
As I stated, its open to abuse, just like back injuries. You don't doubt people suffer from back injuries do you? Sure there are those out there that BS the system.
It ruined my friends life, and family. He was 100% not the same person after the incident, and scary to be around. 7 years later he is only now rebuilding his career, and trying to get back to a normal life. This has only happened through lots of help, and support, which was in place right after the incident. Thats my first hand knowledge of just one case that was close to me. I don't advertise my career, but I'm more than qualified to make just an "opinion" on the subject also.
Regardless of qualifications to make an opinion on it, I would like to think that finally in this day and age, yours is in the minority. If your a doubter, that's fine. Hopefully you never have to deal with it.
Okay, let's be honest JNT.
There are no tests that can be done to diagnose PTSD
Case closed.
The fact is that anyone can claim PTSD there are no blood tests or x-rays to confirm the diagnosis.
XRays can confirm back problems.
Now, as a multiple war veteran, being "assessed" with PTSD and "adjustment disorder" is simply that. AN ASSESSMENT.
I'm sure you've heard it before...
"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras"
THAT is the problem. NOT PTSD.
There are no tests that can be done to diagnose PTSD
Case closed.
The fact is that anyone can claim PTSD there are no blood tests or x-rays to confirm the diagnosis.
XRays can confirm back problems.
Now, as a multiple war veteran, being "assessed" with PTSD and "adjustment disorder" is simply that. AN ASSESSMENT.
I'm sure you've heard it before...
"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras"
THAT is the problem. NOT PTSD.
cmhicksusmc
Corporal/USMC
Tobii You Took The Words Right Out of My Mouth!!!
Qualified?? Really? are you a psychologist/psychiatrist. You're a paratrooper and a damn good one from the sound of it but that's all. Honestly, bottom line; your assessment is an opinion. You do understand this disorder is not new. WWI verterans had a condition known as shell shock or battle fatigue. So in essence your saying that these people would have had PTSD or some psycological issue even if they weren't a soldier, seriously?? Overall you find it to be an excuse not a cause, I call BS.
Thank you for establishing exactly what PTSD is - an OPINION.
There is no test.
Therefore, it is an OPINION of the Doctor.
And Yes, as a matter of fact, my sister is a PsyD graduate from Stanford, she practices in Visalia, CA, and we have discussed PTSD ad nauseum for years now.
Your background on this is exactly what?
PTSD is an ASSESSMENT, NOT a DIAGNOSIS.
Now, kindly read the following -
Once again, BLAMING PTSD for the "cause" of these other problems.
Read it yourself, from the Mayo Clinic - LINK HERE
I read a book about the holocaust - Now I have PTSD.
That fits every "assessment" according to the Mayo Clinic.
So now, simply by LEARNING about an event, you can "acquire" PTSD.
THAT makes it bogus.
Wait, we can count our family members' qualifications in a debate? Awesome. Now I'm qualified to offer an expert opinion on algebraic geometry, plasma physics, health care policy, and modern dance! :eyepoke:
Asher, scroll back up to post #12.
I have been "assessed" multiple times with either "adjustment disorder", PTSD, or both.
I've also been on -
- several (9 to be exact) case studies on PTSD on Active Duty.
- numerous PsychEvals
- the direct case study for 3 separate PsyD graduate programs.
Anything else I need to explain? Sould I submit my EEG's, stress test results and MTBI board results?
By the Mayo Clinic standard of "assessment", you "get" PTSD from reading a book, watching a movie, or, even as they listed, by being female.
Care to discuss further?
I have been "assessed" multiple times with either "adjustment disorder", PTSD, or both.
I've also been on -
- several (9 to be exact) case studies on PTSD on Active Duty.
- numerous PsychEvals
- the direct case study for 3 separate PsyD graduate programs.
Anything else I need to explain? Sould I submit my EEG's, stress test results and MTBI board results?
By the Mayo Clinic standard of "assessment", you "get" PTSD from reading a book, watching a movie, or, even as they listed, by being female.
Care to discuss further?
