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Wow. Just wow. Enjoy your KoolAid. General Cigar was bought out in 2005.



Pay attention -

Boutique cigars do NOT keep B&M stores OPEN. The TOP SELLING Brands do.

The "internet cigar community" isn't even a FACTOR.
You seem completely vested in this arguement so I'll leave you alone to that task.
Boutiques make up that small group like the small group that you call the online community. Never once said anything to contradict that point but you seem content in accusing me of it.

You don't like boutique brands cool...but don't ever throw around the term koolaid like it's some cool buzzword because you don't know anything else to say.
 

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Wow. Just wow. Enjoy your KoolAid. General Cigar was bought out in 2005.



Pay attention -

Boutique cigars do NOT keep B&M stores OPEN. The TOP SELLING Brands do.

The "internet cigar community" isn't even a FACTOR.
IMO you're wrong, and you have no empirical evidence to support your claim. I would contend that LE cigars attract attention, publicity and a "buzz" which in return helps their bottom line. Example: A customer hears about an LE cigar being sold at a certain shop and wants to know more. After doing some research on the site or visiting a local B & M, they decide to pass on making an LE purchase, but instead pick up or order something completely different. I'm sure Abe at Smoke Inn isn't consistently doing limited edition cigar business (Tat Anarchy, Padron SI 15 etc.) for $hits and giggles........it's working, and your argument is incredulous and flawed.
 
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what he said. Glad to see some people can look beyond the leaf and see that its nothing but good marketing for both vendor and manufacturer.

yes....good catch indeed!
 

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BTW... this is a fairly cheap cigar in MN, which has the third or fourth highest cigar taxes in the country (75% uncapped) depending on how you evaluate Vermont's taxes. I think one of the reasons why Jeff has gotten so many LEs is precisely because of this, as it's hard for him to really be anywhere close to competitive with online dealers simply because of this tax. I'm sure for a handful of products, what Jeff pays between wholesale and taxes is 20% higher than what you can find it online. Just a thought.
 
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IMO you're wrong, and you have no empirical evidence to support your claim.
Smoke Magazine, Fall 2010. LINK

There will always be an entrepreneurial spirit behind the cigar industry, with both cigar families and new unknowns entering into the brother and sisterhood. The success rate seems quite small, but it also appears to be widening from the added exposure provided by social media. Boutique owners are not going to drastically cut into the profits of industry giants, nor are they going to overtake the palate of the casual smoker that walks into their bricks and mortar before golf each week. And, thankfully, this isn’t their intention; they seem to be satisfied with their small, though growing corner of the industry. The next time you walk into your local B&M, or place an online order, take a look at some of these boutique blends; you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Empirical Evidence? How about the blatantly obvious facts staring you in the face?

but don't ever throw around the term koolaid like it's some cool buzzword because you don't know anything else to say.
Jim Jones, Guyana, November 1978.

It's not a "buzzword", it's the history behind 900 people who were too stupid to think for themselves.

Jones and several members argued that the group should commit "revolutionary suicide" by drinking cyanide-laced grape flavored Flavor-Aid along with a sedative
Grow up.
 

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Smoke Magazine, Fall 2010. LINK



Jim Jones, Guyana, November 1978.

It's not a "buzzword", it's the history behind 900 people who were too stupid to think for themselves.



Grow up.
They were unwitting victims. Spiked Flavor-ade, not Koolaid

Grape to be exact.




Was about to hit enter when I thought, geez...getting lured into a debate but not really either. Just correcting bad posts made by another. Like I said, you are heavily vested in this arguement but I really don't want to play along.


Food, not spoons, make people fat.

Customers keep B&M's open, not ANY cigar; that means sell what people want. Even if it means countless LE's. The people are speaking and they want them.

Flavor-ade, not koolaid, is responsible for Jonestown.
 
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Smoke Magazine, Fall 2010. LINK



Empirical Evidence? How about the blatantly obvious facts staring you in the face?



Jim Jones, Guyana, November 1978.

It's not a "buzzword", it's the history behind 900 people who were too stupid to think for themselves.



Grow up.
Some shops support themselves on boutique brands. My home shop has about 5 facings of general/altadis cigars in the whole humidor. Macanudo and the like is NOT supporting that shop and there are many others like it out there.
 
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Why don't we just lock this thread and move on ...
I know this was a retorical question, but I am answering it anyways.

Because its fun to watch grown men squabble over tobacco.

If we are really tired of all of these "LE'' releases, then we should stop buying them. Until they stop flying off the shelf, they will continue to be released. So how can anyone complain when we are the cause of it?

Its like someone capable of working on Section 8 or Welfare bitching about the failing economy.

Without consumers chasing these things down, they most likely wouldn't exist. I don't find it such a perplexing question or issue.

I for one have hung up the towel, no more chasing for me. It seems to have become a pissing contest and that takes away from the fun of it for me. That being said, if a local shop has a special release or LE specifically for a said shop, I will most likely support it, but thats the line for me.
 

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Why don't we just lock this thread and move on ...
I agree. I'm sorry I started problems. My thread was more of a joke in a sarcastic way of saying oh my another L.E. This thread has gotten out of control and I take responsibility and blame for the hurt feelings. You can direct your angry pms towards me.

Thanks,

Jon
 
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