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the statement that "what's measured is what's taught" may say it all.

EDUCATIONJUNE 15, 2011.Students Stumble Again on the Basics of History
National Test Shows Little Progress in Grasping Democracy, U.S. Role in World.
By STEPHANIE BANCHERO
Fewer than a quarter of American 12th-graders knew China was North Korea's ally during the Korean War, and only 35% of fourth-graders knew the purpose of the Declaration of Independence, according to national history-test scores released Tuesday.

..The results from the National Assessment of Educational Progress revealed that U.S. schoolchildren have made little progress since 2006 in their understanding of key historical themes, including the basic principles of democracy and America's role in the world.

Only 20% of U.S. fourth-graders and 17% of eighth-graders who took the 2010 history exam were "proficient" or "advanced," unchanged since the test was last administered in 2006. Proficient means students have a solid understanding of the material.

.The news was even more dire in high school, where 12% of 12th-graders were proficient, unchanged since 2006. More than half of all seniors posted scores at the lowest achievement level, "below basic." While the nation's fourth- and eighth-graders have seen a slight uptick in scores since the exam was first administered in 1994, 12th-graders haven't.

One bright spot in the data was the performance of African-American and Hispanic students in fourth and eighth grades. The average score of Hispanic fourth-graders jumped to 198 last year, versus 175 in 1994, which helped shrink the gap with their white counterparts. In eighth grade, black students improved to 250 points in 2010 from 238 in 1994. At the fourth-grade level, the gap between Hispanic and white students was 39 points in 1994 and 26 points in 2010. In eighth grade, the black-white gap narrowed to 23 points in 2010 from 28 in 1994

Only 35% of fourth-graders knew the purpose of the Declaration of Independence, according to national history-test scores released Tuesday.
.The overall lackluster performance is certain to revive the debate about whether history and other subjects, such as science and art, are being pushed out of the curriculum because of the focus on math and reading demanded under the No Child Left Behind federal education law. The federal law mandates that students be tested in math and reading.

Sue Blanchette, president-elect of the National Council for Social Studies, a national association of K-12 and college social-studies teachers, called the results disheartening and said history education has been marginalized in the last decade.

"Everyone is going to participate in civic life by paying taxes, protesting against paying taxes, voting, and we must teach our children how to think critically about these issues," she said. "Clearly, we are not doing that."

Ms. Blanchette said her group wants the history test administered every two years, like the national math and reading exams, instead of every four years. "What gets measured, gets taught," she said.

.The U.S. Department of Education administered the history exam to a representative sample of public and private schools, testing 7,000 fourth-graders, 11,800 eighth-graders and 12,400 high-school seniors. The test is scored on a 0-500 point scale, and those scores are broken into "below basic," "basic," "proficient" and "advanced."

In fourth grade, students who scored at or above basic are likely to know how to interpret a map about the Colonial economy. Fourth-grade students who scored proficient are likely to know that canals increased trade among states, and students scoring advanced probably would be able to explain how factories changed American work.
 

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Great post Bob! There is a severe lack in our population of moral upbringing and educating...I still think all things start at home with parenting. Good parenting equals good kids which equal a good future population. I talk to my brother who is a police detective and he says we are the minority and it's getting worse and worse the more loosers breed.
I'm glad i can hold my head high and say I think my wife and I have done a great job as parents and raised kids with good morals, manners, and the desire to accomplish great things in life.
Very sad to see where this doesn't account for most of the population.:frownno:
 

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Math and Reading are very important, but what good are they if they aren't applied? "I can read, I just can't read history text books."

Math, science, history, literature, and art are all important. My personal bias is towards math and science, but especially through HS the education needs to be well rounded. Sad state of affairs.
 

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What's wrong with just watching cartoons? :dunno:
No joke! My TV habits include South Park, Archer, Futurama, and sometimes Family Guy and/or American Dad. Mickey Mouse Clubhouse and Special Agent OSO are tossed in during the mornings too.

The only "real" TV I watch is Tosh.0 and sometimes Colbert/Daily Show. And since Mark Haines passed away, I've only caught CNBC a few times.
 

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I know I will get crucified for this,
Ugh. Yeah.

"Everyone is going to participate in civic life by paying taxes, protesting against paying taxes, voting, and we must teach our children how to think critically about these issues," she said.... History Classes dont teach you that, most of it was never recent enough history to be relevant.
That's a problem with the History classes, not a problem with History as a subject. Those things NEED to be taught. I won't argue that there is a bunch of stuff taught or tested in history that really isn't germane to every day life, but there's a lot more that is or should be. The 6 question sample points that out. A good portion of that isn't something that, IMHO, is necessary to know. The fact that China was N. Korea's ally? Yeah, probably not a bad fact to know, but it's not like it's going to affect your ability to be a good producing, engaged citizen. Not knowing what the Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence are/were for? Yeah, that's a huge problem, sorry.

Of course, much of what really needs to be taught isn't history, but Economics. That's probably a whole other subject. Still, the history of our country and how we came to be, and why we have the government we do are important things for people to grasp. The fact that most of the country doesn't is part of the reason our political landscape is so F'ed up right now.
 

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Whats that old saying from Santayana. Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This doesnt just go for US history, but world. I dont see arguing its not important. It serves as a way to unite the people of a nation and teach them about what has worked and what has failed. Thinking that whole slavery thing, is a pretty big lesson given the civil war and all.

Just really dont get the logic in the argument history is not important.
 

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Of course, much of what really needs to be taught isn't history, but Economics.
I'd tend to agree. I'd very much like to see high school students spend more time with civics/government, economics, and maybe even a business-related course with some accounting, management, and development/formation principles reflected in the curriculum.

I suppose that's easy enough to say, but I suppose any such program might come at the expense of higher math and science courses, and definitely arts.

At least down here in TX we know that our football programs will always be safe.
 
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