CBid vs the others....

[Sirspanksalot]

I smoked the last "new" Perla I had or I would have posted a side by side with the original ones Argus hit me with. Haven't smoked it yet, but the aroma is better lol

 

[Cigary43]

For years, I used to buy 90% of my cigars from Cbid, until Trish banned my account for telling others the truth about how they buy the rights to highly rated out of production labels, slap them on dog rockets and pass them off as the original. Since I was forced to leave, I'm actually doing just as good at other places, plus I'm now smoking better cigars. The only reason I'd ever go back, is when I finally run out of my current supply of Genesis Projects. But with that said, a buddy of mine just posted over there that the Genesis Projects he just received tasted of "barn yard" and "musty", and weren't anywhere near as good as the previous ones. I sure hope they didn't decide to save a few pennies by switching to cheaper tobacco now that this line is a big hit, but knowing them, I wouldn't put it past them.

Wow....that is enough information to make some serious waves for those who depend on CBID to be a credible source for cigars. I love Genesis Cigars as well and thought it was just my taste buds going through "the change" and lately the ones that I got off CBID auctions just don't have that taste as they once did...there are others as well so this really is news. So.....just to get the facts right....they are putting name brand cigar labels on a totally different brand????? Even if that's the jist of it I don't see how they can get away with that and not be investigated for fraud esp. with irrefutable facts.

 

[dharbolt]

They explain it away to seasonal changes in tobacco crops. I don't anyone will ever get the for fraud

 

[tedp]

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He explains this around the 15 minute mark of the video!

 

[dharbolt]

[video=youtube;Sa_jEdBZ_PA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sa_jEdBZ_PA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sa_jEdBZ_PA[/video]

He explains this around the 15 minute mark of the video!

Good find. Haven't seen that in a while

 

[RobZip]

For years, I used to buy 90% of my cigars from Cbid, until Trish banned my account for telling others the truth about how they buy the rights to highly rated out of production labels, slap them on dog rockets and pass them off as the original. Since I was forced to leave, I'm actually doing just as good at other places, plus I'm now smoking better cigars. The only reason I'd ever go back, is when I finally run out of my current supply of Genesis Projects. But with that said, a buddy of mine just posted over there that the Genesis Projects he just received tasted of "barn yard" and "musty", and weren't anywhere near as good as the previous ones. I sure hope they didn't decide to save a few pennies by switching to cheaper tobacco now that this line is a big hit, but knowing them, I wouldn't put it past them.

From what I can tell, you are safe with name brand, current production cigars. Just stay away from discontinued cigars that where once expensive, highly rated, and now selling cheap at CI.
The one that really got me upset, was the La Perla Morado. This was a favorite of mine, but sadly, it was discontinued. I bought up the last remaining boxes from Holts. All of a sudden it shows up at CI for cheap. I asked on the boards if this was still the real deal, and if so, how could they be retailing them for $3? Steve (one of the moderators) assured me that they where indeed the same cigar, but that because they simplified the packaging, they where able to cut the cost. Total lies! The new ones are dog rockets. Not only do they not use the same tobacco, but the sizes are different, and the labels are now fuzzy and out of focus. I found a few blogs that stated that CI bought the rights to the whole La Perla line, and are having the cigars made to their cheap specs. They've done this with other lines and labels as well.

As I said before, if you ignore their "used car salesmen" descriptions, and concentrate on current production name brands, you should be fine.

Ok, good. Unless I'm really missing something obvious, Ive been buying boxes, on average, 40-50% cheaper than adevertised on CI. My latest purchase was for a box of 21 Xikar HC Habano 6x60's. MSRP, which is a smoke & mirror figure is $160.00. CI price $112.00. i won the box for $55.00. To me that seems like a deal. Unless, or course, Im missing something. Most of my purchases are well below other prices i see on the net. Maybe Im looking in the wrong places, but Ive been happy with Cbid so far. I am going to take some advice of other BOTL and check out these other sites Ive never heard of.

 

[dharbolt]

For years, I used to buy 90% of my cigars from Cbid, until Trish banned my account for telling others the truth about how they buy the rights to highly rated out of production labels, slap them on dog rockets and pass them off as the original. Since I was forced to leave, I'm actually doing just as good at other places, plus I'm now smoking better cigars. The only reason I'd ever go back, is when I finally run out of my current supply of Genesis Projects. But with that said, a buddy of mine just posted over there that the Genesis Projects he just received tasted of "barn yard" and "musty", and weren't anywhere near as good as the previous ones. I sure hope they didn't decide to save a few pennies by switching to cheaper tobacco now that this line is a big hit, but knowing them, I wouldn't put it past them.

From what I can tell, you are safe with name brand, current production cigars. Just stay away from discontinued cigars that where once expensive, highly rated, and now selling cheap at CI.
The one that really got me upset, was the La Perla Morado. This was a favorite of mine, but sadly, it was discontinued. I bought up the last remaining boxes from Holts. All of a sudden it shows up at CI for cheap. I asked on the boards if this was still the real deal, and if so, how could they be retailing them for $3? Steve (one of the moderators) assured me that they where indeed the same cigar, but that because they simplified the packaging, they where able to cut the cost. Total lies! The new ones are dog rockets. Not only do they not use the same tobacco, but the sizes are different, and the labels are now fuzzy and out of focus. I found a few blogs that stated that CI bought the rights to the whole La Perla line, and are having the cigars made to their cheap specs. They've done this with other lines and labels as well.

As I said before, if you ignore their "used car salesmen" descriptions, and concentrate on current production name brands, you should be fine.

Ok, good. Unless I'm really missing something obvious, Ive been buying boxes, on average, 40-50% cheaper than adevertised on CI. My latest purchase was for a box of 21 Xikar HC Habano 6x60's. MSRP, which is a smoke & mirror figure is $160.00. CI price $112.00. i won the box for $55.00. To me that seems like a deal. Unless, or course, Im missing something. Most of my purchases are well below other prices i see on the net. Maybe Im looking in the wrong places, but Ive been happy with Cbid so far. I am going to take some advice of other BOTL and check out these other sites Ive never heard of.

That is a deal if that is a smoke you like. there are definitely deals to be had there. Check out the other sites, Have patience and you will find deals on them all. All argus is saying is know what you are getting into and beware flashy marketing.

 

[dharbolt]

I think at least

 

[Argus17]

Wow....that is enough information to make some serious waves for those who depend on CBID to be a credible source for cigars. I love Genesis Cigars as well and thought it was just my taste buds going through "the change" and lately the ones that I got off CBID auctions just don't have that taste as they once did...there are others as well so this really is news. So.....just to get the facts right....they are putting name brand cigar labels on a totally different brand????? Even if that's the jist of it I don't see how they can get away with that and not be investigated for fraud esp. with irrefutable facts.

Just so we're clear here. They don't do this with current production name brand cigars. What they do is buy the rights to discontinued labels, have them made to their specs, and then pass them off as the original. Here's an example of how blatant they are. This is their description for the Torano Noventa, which is now a CI owned label.

I’m so excited I can barely type. This here’s a one-in-a-lifetime kinda deal. The kind you dream of, the kind that most definitely won’t last long - Torano Noventa boxes, nearly 80% off. Yes, 80 PERCENT.

Here’s the short version of the events that transpired....

The ultra-premium Torano Noventa has been off the market for a while now. It was always intended as a one-time release, and all the cigars were supposedly sold out. But a little while back, Charlie Torano let slip that he still had some boxes remaining. I played it cool, acted indifferent, then made a half-serious low-ball offer on the whole lot. Somehow, he accepted. And now I’m passing along the savings....well over $200 off per box.

Considering this "once in a lifetime" deal has been available on their web site for over 2 years, Charlie must have had 100,000 boxes sitting in his warehouse that he had forgotten about. Of course we all know that isn't the fact. I smoke a lot of Torano cigars and fell for CI's lies by buying a box of Noventas on Freefall, when they where first available. One of the worst cigars I can remember, and no way is it a Torano product. Now if I only had concrete facts, and not just speculation, that would be another story.

 

[RobZip]

[video=youtube;Sa_jEdBZ_PA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sa_jEdBZ_PA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Sa_jEdBZ_PA[/video]

He explains this around the 15 minute mark of the video!

Learn something new everyday, great info and definitely good to know !!!!!!

 

[NCost]

I think i stirred the nest on this one.

All good info.

 

[Sirspanksalot]

For years, I used to buy 90% of my cigars from Cbid, until Trish banned my account for telling others the truth about how they buy the rights to highly rated out of production labels, slap them on dog rockets and pass them off as the original. Since I was forced to leave, I'm actually doing just as good at other places, plus I'm now smoking better cigars. The only reason I'd ever go back, is when I finally run out of my current supply of Genesis Projects. But with that said, a buddy of mine just posted over there that the Genesis Projects he just received tasted of "barn yard" and "musty", and weren't anywhere near as good as the previous ones. I sure hope they didn't decide to save a few pennies by switching to cheaper tobacco now that this line is a big hit, but knowing them, I wouldn't put it past them.

From what I can tell, you are safe with name brand, current production cigars. Just stay away from discontinued cigars that where once expensive, highly rated, and now selling cheap at CI.
The one that really got me upset, was the La Perla Morado. This was a favorite of mine, but sadly, it was discontinued. I bought up the last remaining boxes from Holts. All of a sudden it shows up at CI for cheap. I asked on the boards if this was still the real deal, and if so, how could they be retailing them for $3? Steve (one of the moderators) assured me that they where indeed the same cigar, but that because they simplified the packaging, they where able to cut the cost. Total lies! The new ones are dog rockets. Not only do they not use the same tobacco, but the sizes are different, and the labels are now fuzzy and out of focus. I found a few blogs that stated that CI bought the rights to the whole La Perla line, and are having the cigars made to their cheap specs. They've done this with other lines and labels as well.

As I said before, if you ignore their "used car salesmen" descriptions, and concentrate on current production name brands, you should be fine.

Ok, good. Unless I'm really missing something obvious, Ive been buying boxes, on average, 40-50% cheaper than adevertised on CI. My latest purchase was for a box of 21 Xikar HC Habano 6x60's. MSRP, which is a smoke & mirror figure is $160.00. CI price $112.00. i won the box for $55.00. To me that seems like a deal. Unless, or course, Im missing something. Most of my purchases are well below other prices i see on the net. Maybe Im looking in the wrong places, but Ive been happy with Cbid so far. I am going to take some advice of other BOTL and check out these other sites Ive never heard of.

I don't know if what you're buying is still the original stock, but Brian from cigar obsession said that they own that label now

 

[RobZip]

That is a deal if that is a smoke you like. there are definitely deals to be had there. Check out the other sites, Have patience and you will find deals on them all. All argus is saying is know what you are getting into and beware flashy marketing.[/QUOTE]

I get it. Generally speaking, I never fall for that hyped up kind of talk anyway. I get most of my stuff from Cbid, but Im about to expand my cigar searching. Already added one mentioned earlier in this thread to my favorites. BTW, I love the Xikar Habano blend, however, never tried the 6x60. Getting them tomorrow, and have to have one ROTT. I wont be able to help myself!

 

[dharbolt]

For years, I used to buy 90% of my cigars from Cbid, until Trish banned my account for telling others the truth about how they buy the rights to highly rated out of production labels, slap them on dog rockets and pass them off as the original. Since I was forced to leave, I'm actually doing just as good at other places, plus I'm now smoking better cigars. The only reason I'd ever go back, is when I finally run out of my current supply of Genesis Projects. But with that said, a buddy of mine just posted over there that the Genesis Projects he just received tasted of "barn yard" and "musty", and weren't anywhere near as good as the previous ones. I sure hope they didn't decide to save a few pennies by switching to cheaper tobacco now that this line is a big hit, but knowing them, I wouldn't put it past them.

From what I can tell, you are safe with name brand, current production cigars. Just stay away from discontinued cigars that where once expensive, highly rated, and now selling cheap at CI.
The one that really got me upset, was the La Perla Morado. This was a favorite of mine, but sadly, it was discontinued. I bought up the last remaining boxes from Holts. All of a sudden it shows up at CI for cheap. I asked on the boards if this was still the real deal, and if so, how could they be retailing them for $3? Steve (one of the moderators) assured me that they where indeed the same cigar, but that because they simplified the packaging, they where able to cut the cost. Total lies! The new ones are dog rockets. Not only do they not use the same tobacco, but the sizes are different, and the labels are now fuzzy and out of focus. I found a few blogs that stated that CI bought the rights to the whole La Perla line, and are having the cigars made to their cheap specs. They've done this with other lines and labels as well.

As I said before, if you ignore their "used car salesmen" descriptions, and concentrate on current production name brands, you should be fine.

Ok, good. Unless I'm really missing something obvious, Ive been buying boxes, on average, 40-50% cheaper than adevertised on CI. My latest purchase was for a box of 21 Xikar HC Habano 6x60's. MSRP, which is a smoke & mirror figure is $160.00. CI price $112.00. i won the box for $55.00. To me that seems like a deal. Unless, or course, Im missing something. Most of my purchases are well below other prices i see on the net. Maybe Im looking in the wrong places, but Ive been happy with Cbid so far. I am going to take some advice of other BOTL and check out these other sites Ive never heard of.

I don't know if what you're buying is still the original stock, but Brian from cigar obsession said that they own that label now

Of course they do

 

[Argus17]

For years, I used to buy 90% of my cigars from Cbid, until Trish banned my account for telling others the truth about how they buy the rights to highly rated out of production labels, slap them on dog rockets and pass them off as the original. Since I was forced to leave, I'm actually doing just as good at other places, plus I'm now smoking better cigars. The only reason I'd ever go back, is when I finally run out of my current supply of Genesis Projects. But with that said, a buddy of mine just posted over there that the Genesis Projects he just received tasted of "barn yard" and "musty", and weren't anywhere near as good as the previous ones. I sure hope they didn't decide to save a few pennies by switching to cheaper tobacco now that this line is a big hit, but knowing them, I wouldn't put it past them.

From what I can tell, you are safe with name brand, current production cigars. Just stay away from discontinued cigars that where once expensive, highly rated, and now selling cheap at CI.
The one that really got me upset, was the La Perla Morado. This was a favorite of mine, but sadly, it was discontinued. I bought up the last remaining boxes from Holts. All of a sudden it shows up at CI for cheap. I asked on the boards if this was still the real deal, and if so, how could they be retailing them for $3? Steve (one of the moderators) assured me that they where indeed the same cigar, but that because they simplified the packaging, they where able to cut the cost. Total lies! The new ones are dog rockets. Not only do they not use the same tobacco, but the sizes are different, and the labels are now fuzzy and out of focus. I found a few blogs that stated that CI bought the rights to the whole La Perla line, and are having the cigars made to their cheap specs. They've done this with other lines and labels as well.

As I said before, if you ignore their "used car salesmen" descriptions, and concentrate on current production name brands, you should be fine.

Ok, good. Unless I'm really missing something obvious, Ive been buying boxes, on average, 40-50% cheaper than adevertised on CI. My latest purchase was for a box of 21 Xikar HC Habano 6x60's. MSRP, which is a smoke & mirror figure is $160.00. CI price $112.00. i won the box for $55.00. To me that seems like a deal. Unless, or course, Im missing something. Most of my purchases are well below other prices i see on the net. Maybe Im looking in the wrong places, but Ive been happy with Cbid so far. I am going to take some advice of other BOTL and check out these other sites Ive never heard of.

I don't know if what you're buying is still the original stock, but Brian from cigar obsession said that they own that label now

Yes, I heard that too. I won some HCs off of Thompson a few years back, and they where OK smokes. Last spring Joel sent me one that he had won from Cbid, and it was utter crap. May have been a bad one, or maybe just one of CI's new production.

 

[Sirspanksalot]

I had a maduro in the toro size a few months back, decent yardgar, but then again I haven't tried as many things as some of you. I bought some arganese ml3 too, and those were much better, and for the same price

 

[Argus17]

Oh, and one more thing. Just because a cigar is available some other place, does not mean it's not a CI owned label. A couple years back, someone posted a listing of CI owned web sites. I caught the post right before it was deleted and the poster banded. I don't remember the whole list, but there was about a dozen sites. I'm pretty sure Discount Humidors in Florida was one of them.

 

[Whtwtrman79]

It would be nice to know who they were, I hope pipes and cigars.com continues as is on the pipe baccy side

 

[KcJason1]

I can't fathom why ppl would be obsessed with Cbid.. The dont sell habanos!

Nah.. For real though..
They do have some good and decent stuff.. But they also have a lot of crap that is one step up from swisher sweets! Great deals don't always mean great or even decent cigars!

 

[Rick]

I always seek out 2 particular brands which I consider my go to favorites from auction sites and I have had great luck at getting them approx 40-50% off MSRP. They key for me is my ability to be patient, bid my max, and never exceed my bid threshold. When I'm in need to replenish a particular box, I can usually get it in a couple weeks by actively searching the auctiions.

And I kind of like going that route...part of the fun for me is searching, figuring out who has the best deal, bidding, sniping strategy, etc.

I'm all for supporting local B&Ms, but for my 2 go to brands...I simply wouldn't feel right if I did. For example, a box of one of my favorites can be purchased at my B&M for $180.....but I can usually get it for $106....the auction site gets my business in this case.

For my other go to favorite, the MSRP is $120 - $140, I can get them for $70 ish.

I'm extremely price conscious and try to think before making any purchases. In order to frame this from my perspective, I recently purchased a box of Tat DDs, from the great guys at Tobacco Plaza...and that was a huge purchase for me. I had to think about it for a long time before finally making up my mind as They were one of the most expensive sticks that I ever purchased....but well worth it in my opinion!