La Verite and L'esprit de Verite
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AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
I too hope all the BOTL customers can get what they thought they bought already. However, I believe it should be common sense that this years release is not the full "futures" plan that Pete wants to happen and that you should realize this IF you don't get your cigars. I know there are a lot of orders that B&M's put in that are not realized and they don't get all that they wanted to order...
Next year will be different. It will be the real "futures" process and if you order in January, you WILL get your cigars. That is what I will be doing.
Next year will be different. It will be the real "futures" process and if you order in January, you WILL get your cigars. That is what I will be doing.
So if I want certain boxes of brown label that is still made, el tri, etc from my local that they don't have in stock, all I have to do is give them my money, tell them to pre-pay when ordering and they will get it? My understanding is it doesn't happen this way currently. They will place an order for product and hope they get what they ordered, but in most cases with Tatuaje and Illusione (same rep) they get what is shipped to them. Now I don't know if they are pre-paying when ordering or not. What is standard procedure when a shop orders?
I guess my main gripe is you have these local stores who are trying to serve their customers and help build this brand, but they get the shaft on things like this. Here in Vegas I think there are only 3 stores who carry Tatuaje, at least that I have seen, and what stock they get is minimal compared to what I have seen from online stores and not for their lack of trying to get more from what these owners tell me. Is supply of Tatuaje products that limited? If I wanted to order 5 boxes of SWs tomorrow from my local retailer would that get filled quickly or would I have to search out an online source for them? Can Black Tubos still be ordered by a retailer? I try and buy local whenever possible, but I got 3 stores telling me they can't get certain Tatuaje product that is carried at other stores online or in other states. Is it just the other stores sell a lot more so they get better access to this product?
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
I hear what you're saying Vegan, but my closest B&M in the Seattle area never knows what he's getting either. He always tells me he ordered "x" amount of boxes, but never knows what he will actually get until the shipment comes in. I'm assuming this is the norm vs the exception for most companies. Look at Opus and Anejo... who the hell knows how many boxes the B&M's will get???
I'm sure it's standard practice that the retailers that prove they sell the most, get a little better priority in limited releases and product with limited quantities. I think it's totally fair for a company to give a slight preference to a retailer that proves day in and day out that they sell more product on a daily basis. When it comes to limited cigars, those top selling retailers will get a slight advantage over the retailers that don't sell as much. Viaje has "premium" accounts... I believe that's what they are called where those retailers get more of the limited cigars to sell.
Dan at New Havana Cigars makes Tatuaje a priority in his business and in turn, I'm sure Pete makes New Havana a priority. It only makes sense to me. Just my opinion... :dunno:
I'm sure it's standard practice that the retailers that prove they sell the most, get a little better priority in limited releases and product with limited quantities. I think it's totally fair for a company to give a slight preference to a retailer that proves day in and day out that they sell more product on a daily basis. When it comes to limited cigars, those top selling retailers will get a slight advantage over the retailers that don't sell as much. Viaje has "premium" accounts... I believe that's what they are called where those retailers get more of the limited cigars to sell.
Dan at New Havana Cigars makes Tatuaje a priority in his business and in turn, I'm sure Pete makes New Havana a priority. It only makes sense to me. Just my opinion... :dunno:
I guess if you are only looking to get online customers that is great for Pete and Dan. Too bad the name Tatuaje is getting to be synonymous with supply issues. I am done ordering Tatuaje products online, I try and support my local stores, but if Pete can't even get them the product then why continue buying it? Venting on Pete, but it's similar with other brands, Tatuaje is just at the front of it lately. First thing that comes to mind with the name Tatuaje is great stick usually, second thing is great I am going to have to call 20 places to try and find it. Not anymore, except for previously released stuff that I know is great that isn't carried in stores anymore. Have to put my disclaimer in there since I will buy certain sticks online.
I think the reason that everyone can't get everything they want to is that production is purposely limited to ensure a quality product. If he makes 1.5 million sticks a year he knows that they are going to be the utmost quality. If he stretched himself to making 2 million or more, he might lose that control. I think we've all seen a brand's quality drop when their production explodes.
Good on you for wanting to support your local shops.
Good on you for wanting to support your local shops.
Vegan,
I think you're not understanding the whole situation. I think one store in Vegas ordered the La Verite and they will be getting the small order they placed. I'm cutting a few larger orders back because it's not fair for a select few to control the market on a non prepaid order. Next year when retailers order, they need to be prepared to pay in advance to reserve their quantities.
We have a limited quantity coming in and that is all that can be sold. I can't make anymore.
With regular production, if retailers order, they will get it but we don't always have them in stock. So if they are only checking once a month for inventory, they might miss things flowing through. A guy like Dan checks every few days on inventory and orders every week. Sometimes he even gets shorted and he at the moment is my #1 retailer. If a retailer supports me, I support them in return. If a retailer wants to buy from me only when I come out with limited product, I'm sorry, that's not fair to me.
I try to supply everyone fairly and even have to cut back some of my best retailers. Next year I believe that many retailers will not want to pre pay and you will see a much smaller group selling them. I just hope no retailer actually took money from people when it's not guaranteed. Dan let his customers reserve boxes with an order but has not charged anyones card even though he paid for it in advance.
I think you're not understanding the whole situation. I think one store in Vegas ordered the La Verite and they will be getting the small order they placed. I'm cutting a few larger orders back because it's not fair for a select few to control the market on a non prepaid order. Next year when retailers order, they need to be prepared to pay in advance to reserve their quantities.
We have a limited quantity coming in and that is all that can be sold. I can't make anymore.
With regular production, if retailers order, they will get it but we don't always have them in stock. So if they are only checking once a month for inventory, they might miss things flowing through. A guy like Dan checks every few days on inventory and orders every week. Sometimes he even gets shorted and he at the moment is my #1 retailer. If a retailer supports me, I support them in return. If a retailer wants to buy from me only when I come out with limited product, I'm sorry, that's not fair to me.
I try to supply everyone fairly and even have to cut back some of my best retailers. Next year I believe that many retailers will not want to pre pay and you will see a much smaller group selling them. I just hope no retailer actually took money from people when it's not guaranteed. Dan let his customers reserve boxes with an order but has not charged anyones card even though he paid for it in advance.
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The Anejo and Opus is an excellent example. The store I run does well with the entire Feunte line and we carry almost everything they make, not just their special stuff. So when we get in Anejo and Opus they always seem to send us a good stock pile. However, our last Opus order was tiny. But if thats all they have to send then thats all we get. If they started to make a zillion of them just "to be fair" so everyone can get a peice of the pie then they sacrifice quality. It's a simple enough concept so I understand what Pete is saying. If they support the entire brand, not just want the limited edition stuff then they should get a little more love right?
Vegan702, That one store in Vegas will be getting their whole order.......
I think its pretty rare for a shop to carry EVERYTHING that any cigar brand puts out. That's alot of fronts.
Very Rare. This is why they will be getting their order and this is why the other stores in the country that do will also get their orders.
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
Very true, but Anejo and Opus pop up in my local from time to time, I never see the limited release stuff there(from several of the "boutique" brands) and they have 5 stores and a warehouse and are Tatuaje dealers.. guess not "special" enough. I won't chase these cigars, if they show up on the shelf I may consider buying. Too many great cigars in my local to worry about bullshit distributors who limit quantities and play favorites!
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
Exactly, so why complain when those stores don't get the harder to find or limited stuff? Pete said the one shop that does support him, he's supporting back.
I moved on from the specific discussion about Le Verite and wasn't specifically talking about this stick anymore. Its no biggie to me. If my local shops get the limited, monster, HTF stuff great, if not, no big deal. Plenty of other sticks that are carried locally to enjoy.
Name me one that doesn't play favorites.
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
I understand the favorites game... just saying if my local isn't a favorite I won't chase. Many people spend their hard earned money in there and if it isn't good enough for these small time players then fuggem! They will sell regardless, just not on my local's shelves. Not hating, just taking what's available!
Sounds reasonable. Props for supporting your local B&M.