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I just used 1 for a wrapper, ran out of MSA with 1 stick of my blend No.7 left to wrap, i had cased some earlier today, the veins were a bit prominent so i rolled them down, ill get a pic tomorrow when its not so wet, looks good. (to my noob eyes)
 
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Have you ever noticed how you can taste when a cigar begins to tunnel before you see it? I think that shows how much a wrapper can affect the overall taste.
 

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Have you ever noticed how you can taste when a cigar begins to tunnel before you see it? I think that shows how much a wrapper can affect the overall taste.
I'm noticing the blend has the most influence on wrapper.

A milder filler seems to let the wrapper express itself more than more full body filler.

Try it. Peel the wrapper back a half to 3/4 inch and see how much or how little the flavor changes.
 

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Have you ever noticed how you can taste when a cigar begins to tunnel before you see it? I think that shows how much a wrapper can affect the overall taste.
It affects the entire flavor profile, not just the wrapper. Peel back 3/4 inch of wrapper from the foot of the cigar you're smoking if you want to taste the difference.
 
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Any current opinions on these 2 wrappers from WLT?

https://wholeleaftobacco.com/Genuine-American-Connecticut-Shade-Leaf-CTSDL.htm
https://wholeleaftobacco.com/Corojo-Oscuro-Wrapper-Corojowrppr.htm

Who's the safest bet for shade wrapper, other than hopefully conning @webmost out of some of that sweet FX leaf?
Pretty confident I can make that happen, Nic. I'll prolly be up there first week of next month, I can score a batch. Last time I scored some for Bliss it was I think thirty bucks a pound plus shipping. Two hands to the pound. About a skillion leaves per pound, tho, because the stuff is so delicate you can just about see thru it. You can ask Bliss for a review. I see it a lot in his pics. Very delicate and super smooth. Anyone who wants to jump in, give me a shout, and I'll make a list, cause I don't get up there every day or anything, so I'd just as soon score one batch for everyone who wants some, one time. It's a couple hours away. He also has some excellent tasting natural broadleaf. But that is way more coarse, way bigger leaves, way fewer per pound. Size-wise, the shade is good for a corona or robusto; but prolly too small for your jawbreaker mandingoe salomons; while the broadleaf is the right size for Batista's biggest baseball bat.

Ping me if you are interested. Rolled another 20 with it this weekend.
 
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Pretty confident I can make that happen, Nic. I'll prolly be up there first week of next month, I can score a batch. Last time I scored some for Bliss it was I think thirty bucks a pound plus shipping. Two hands to the pound. About a skillion leaves per pound, tho, because the stuff is so delicate you can just about see thru it. You can ask Bliss for a review. I see it a lot in his pics. Very delicate and super smooth. Anyone who wants to jump in, give me a shout, and I'll make a list, cause I don't get up there every day or anything, so I'd just as soon score one batch for everyone who wants some, one time. It's a couple hours away. He also has some excellent tasting natural broadleaf. But that is way more coarse, way bigger leaves, way fewer per pound. Size-wise, the shade is good for a corona or robusto; but prolly too small for your jawbreaker mandingoe salomons; while the broadleaf is the right size for Batista's biggest baseball bat.

Ping me if you are interested. Rolled another 20 with it this weekend.
I'll post some kind of info about it when I get home in a couple weeks. But in a nutshell: It's tricky-ass shit to work with, best suited to something like a short robusto or corona; much of the tips are very darkly discolored and the "cap end" is typically dodgy in quality, so that you'll definitely have to use the second or third segment from the tip if you want have a quality color-matched cap. Plenty of little holes and rips and shit: you have to be comfortable tossing half-leaves that don't match your quality needs. Flavor is fruity. I'd say it requires a high level of skill and delicate hands to do a good job with it. I like it a lot, but I'm not in the "Depression-era conservation" camp that stresses about having to toss shitty leaves or wants 5 wrappers per leaf. Ain't gonna happen with this plant. It's a low-yield situation.
 
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I'll post some kind of info about it when I get home in a couple weeks. But in a nutshell: It's tricky-ass shit to work with, best suited to something like a short robusto or corona; much of the tips are very darkly discolored and the "cap end" is typically dodgy in quality, so that you'll definitely have to use the second or third segment from the tip if you want have a quality color-matched cap. Plenty of little holes and rips and shit: you have to be comfortable tossing half-leaves that don't match your quality needs. Flavor is fruity. I'd say it requires a high level of skill and delicate hands to do a good job with it. I like it a lot, but I'm not in the "Depression-era conservation" camp that stresses about having to toss shitty leaves or wants 5 wrappers per leaf. Ain't gonna happen with this plant. It's a low-yield situation.
Bliss is a perfectionist. That's what we admire. Out of the 28 Olorosos in this box below, which I finished and stashed just last night, I doubt I tossed more than two half-leaves. ... and those two got re-purposed for flags... you can see I do not color match my flags or caps.


But truth is, these leaves are half the size of leaf FX previously got from the supplier. Those were as big as LO's Ec seco leaves. A CT grower told me the 2014 (IIRC) year was stunted by weather; but being a black thumbed clod, I couldn't follow his discussion why. After that bad year, the state's minimum wage went up, driving virtually all shade growers out of business. Their min wage bill makes it go up each year. So we are prolly looking at the last of genuine shade grown in CT. Too bad those Ec seco shade leaves taste so very different from these.

When he says you need: "delicate hands to do a good job" he ain't kidding. Damp it up then unfold it with girlie ticklefingers.

I'll try and take some pics this evening. Got to go to work now.

Go Eagles.
 
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Have you ever noticed how you can taste when a cigar begins to tunnel before you see it? I think that shows how much a wrapper can affect the overall taste.
Tunnel could also be caused by the binder. There's a lot more binder to cause trouble than there is wrapper.

Just a thought to ponder.
 
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Tunnel could also be caused by the binder. There's a lot more binder to cause trouble than there is wrapper.

Just a thought to ponder.

Very true.

I also notice that when you see a roller binding in a vid he uses the entire half binder leaf... sometimes two of them. But his wrapper is just a single strip. I do that myself. That's why my latest search went thru a batch of binders. I should go back to that too-soon abandoned thread and run thru some more.
 

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They feel the same, smell the same raw or burnt, burn the same, same ash, etc. The slightly thicker ones get the most coloring and become "ligero" wrappers.
It's a small sample size, only 1/2lb of each, but neither the Ecuadorian Seco or Ligero shade wrappers showed any evidence of coloring.
 
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It's a small sample size, only 1/2lb of each, but neither the Ecuadorian Seco or Ligero shade wrappers showed any evidence of coloring.
Okay, you're fast: I deleted that post immediately, to avoid controversy. What do you consider evidence of coloring? To me the evidence is the color itself on a leaf of that delicate shade-grown aspect.
 
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