3/5King
Shwing!
Yes. That is why it asks, when you do your taxes, if you've made any out of state purchases. It's the responsibility of the tax payer to be honest. Although I'm sure only a small amount of people get hit, like with audits.
NJ tax audit for cigars?
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^^^^THIS^^^^
Generally, something happens to cause auction though. The most likely scenario is a sales tax audit on the vendor. Its also not possible to check every transaction so they spot check certain ones. It is rare, but it can and does happen.
Before I went corporate, I was in public accounting for a year. We dealt with sales/use tax issues all the time there, however during tax season I can't recall a single person listing their out of state purchases.
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
California residents, here is the interstate statute per State Board of Equalization:
If consumers purchase cigarettes or tobacco products for their own use from outside the state without paying California excise tax, they are required to report and pay the tax directly to the BOE. This includes products purchased through the mail, by telephone, or via the Internet, that are shipped into California. Consumers also owe the taxes if they physically bring more than 400 cigarettes into California. These purchases are also subject to California use taxes. For information regarding California use tax, please visit www.boe.ca.gov/ sutax/usetax.htm#Overview
Not to worry, but just a heads up.
If consumers purchase cigarettes or tobacco products for their own use from outside the state without paying California excise tax, they are required to report and pay the tax directly to the BOE. This includes products purchased through the mail, by telephone, or via the Internet, that are shipped into California. Consumers also owe the taxes if they physically bring more than 400 cigarettes into California. These purchases are also subject to California use taxes. For information regarding California use tax, please visit www.boe.ca.gov/ sutax/usetax.htm#Overview
Not to worry, but just a heads up.
memphsdad
But I don't live in Memphis
They already rape us enough on the daily, I'm used to them giving me the no lube treatment.
This isn't a California only thing, it applies to all states. For example if your state has sales tax on groceries, and you buy a pack of Ramen Noodles out of state to bring home and eat, you are obligated to report it and pay sales tax to your home state
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
I really appreciate the information you've provided. I never took to the time to look into it. Cigars are really the only thing I purchase out-of-state. And I never declare cigars on my taxes. I didn't think for a second that there could be interstate audits between tax bureaus and retailers. Very good to know. I'm gonna get on the horn with my main retailer today and find out how often they get audited. If it happens frequently, I'll have to pay up I guess. The last thing I want are delinquency fines for each transaction. Thanks again, fellas.
this is true - our tobacco taxes suck. 30-ish % with no cap, along with other fees. try it on Casa de Montecristo's retail site:
a box of tat jackyls is roughly 140$. if you order from out of state, it is 140$ delivered.
then... change the destination zip code to 60611 (chicago) and boom... 202$.
at least it isnt Utah, where only the richest 4 kings in Europe can afford a cigar.
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Got one of "those" letters when I was ordering cigars from other states and I sent the letter back with this explanation: Don't know anything about this but appreciate that you sent me a letter that tells me some scoundrel hacked into my account and bought themselves some cigars.
Since the state from which the cigars came from can't prove that the cigars were ordered by me exclusively they can't tax me for the purchase unless they filmed the delivery and me smoking it at my home....they were/are SOL. Never heard back from the state that sent the letter nor does the state enter into a case w/o positive proof of who bought the product. Internet sales are the most proliferating types of purchases where they go unchecked by the millions unless the receiver makes a claim of not receiving product or that their account was hacked.
States will try and source out unpaid taxes by going after the most basic and simple Sin Tax products...interstate sales are easy because they threaten the Business that sells the product to release their records of sales and that's how they get addresses. They count on their letterhead to scare the $hit out of people to cough up money....what they don't like is when people fight back with common sense logic like.....prove that I ordered it and not somebody else...prove I smoked the product...prove that it was delivered to me....prove prove prove.
Since the state from which the cigars came from can't prove that the cigars were ordered by me exclusively they can't tax me for the purchase unless they filmed the delivery and me smoking it at my home....they were/are SOL. Never heard back from the state that sent the letter nor does the state enter into a case w/o positive proof of who bought the product. Internet sales are the most proliferating types of purchases where they go unchecked by the millions unless the receiver makes a claim of not receiving product or that their account was hacked.
States will try and source out unpaid taxes by going after the most basic and simple Sin Tax products...interstate sales are easy because they threaten the Business that sells the product to release their records of sales and that's how they get addresses. They count on their letterhead to scare the $hit out of people to cough up money....what they don't like is when people fight back with common sense logic like.....prove that I ordered it and not somebody else...prove I smoked the product...prove that it was delivered to me....prove prove prove.
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This whole thread scares the shit outta me, and I've bought from UpDown before too. As if I didn't already have enough to worry about living in Utah ...
- one one hand its a small fine and easier to pay than to have this come back and bite you i the ass with a collection notice.
- on the other, if you pay it gives them recourse to look at any other purchases.
time to have a drink and smoke a stick
- on the other, if you pay it gives them recourse to look at any other purchases.
time to have a drink and smoke a stick
you dont have to USE it, just purchase it. have you ever bought a grocery item (such as milk, eggs, etc) and never use it? im sure we all have at one point. i paid taxes on it. just because i never used it doesnt mean i get my taxes back.
in the end, i would just pay the tax. does it suck? yes. HOWEVER... imagine telling them to "prove, prove, prove" (as you put it)... and they get pissy and actually dug into ALL of your online tobacco purchasing history? if they get the solid "proof" and you got taxed on every tobacco purchase made since you entered the hobby, you'd probably have to dip into your 401K to pay it off.
choose your battles. this one doesnt seem really worth it.
A post on a public forum might give them proof. . .
Cigary43
Just Another Ashhole
Thank God for Facebook where anybody and everyone can post what they ate or drank or smoked because if it's one thing we need more of...is less privacy and living in fear of what 'might' happen. There's a reason why a turtle has a shell.
Or an ex-wife
