Not Good...FDA ruling
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But I don't live in Memphis
It wouldn't change anything for you, Two Band Tom.
Not necessarily true. It depends how you determine what a "free cigar" is. You pay a fee to go to IPCPR through your dues, so in an is sense you are paying for those cigars. There are ways around that part of the regulation from what I understand.
Vapes and e-cigs have absolutely no tobacco in them. (There is a subset known as nets that do, but that is secondary.) Yet they are being regulated solely based on the presence of nicotine. So, yeah when they use that logic it is completely possible to throw premium cigars in there.
Part of their "logic" was that teens had moved from cigarettes to flavored cigars. What they didn't realize was a big part of the increase was kids using them to roll blunts. I've never known anybody that actually bought a White Owl peach to smoke.
They don't care about reality on the ground. The are ideological zealots. I was in this from the beginning on the vaping side. The FDA was actively seeking stories of negative experiences with electronic cigarettes while dismissing positive stories as anecdotes. They were also actively seeking negative research and calling positive research biased or unscientific.
Of course it doesn't surprise me that a guy that was a paid consultant for the manufacturer of Nicorette wants to ban their competition.
What's a positive story about vaping? That someone enjoyed it? I think the same can be said of cigars... or heroin...
No, that people were actually getting off of cigarettes with personal vaporizers. A lot of the early advancements in the technology was aimed at a better delivery system to help towards harm reduction or cessation. Most of the developments like temperature control and eliminating certain chemicals were made by former smokers trying to make them more healthy.
I was finally able to kick a seventeen year cigarette habit because of a vaporizer. It was the first time I didn't go through extreme depression, flu like symptoms, and mood swings for weeks after trying to quit.
I was finally able to kick a seventeen year cigarette habit because of a vaporizer. It was the first time I didn't go through extreme depression, flu like symptoms, and mood swings for weeks after trying to quit.
Really comes down to the state your talking about. 64oz growlers were illegal until like last year in FL because of BMC pull in the state. The same BS has also created the food truck/brewery scene. It takes nonstop lobbying and fighting down here granted some states are more supportive. I don't know that the little guys in the cigar biz have enough power or money to really take on this scale of a fight. I sure hope so though.
And therein lies the problem. Philip Morris isn't having that. Now we have this.
I fuckin wish we could just overthrow those morons that make these ridiculous rules. With force too.
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
Lol! The common-sense approach would've been to simply exempt 'Premium Cigars' and fucking regulate everything else. But why the FDA went after all 'Premium Cigars' produced post February 15, 2007 makes absolutely no fucking sense to me. My only explanation is that STG (General Cigar) and Imperial Tobacco (Altadis) wanted this regulation in order to completely eliminate all competition, thereby forcing consumers to buy cigars exclusively from them. Follow the money. The other thing that perplexes me: TAA and CRA have been in Washington D.C. trying to broker this thing for the last three years. How could they not explain to those idiots on the Hill that 'Premium Cigars' pose absolutely no threat to our youth, and that they are merely a luxury for adults who work their asses off everyday and pay $.30 of every dollar they earn to keep these moronic regulators employed!!! The FDA, I might add, allows Monsanto to poison us with GMOs! So what, FDA, I can't enjoy a fine cigar at the end of the day, but I can go to the grocery store and buy tomatoes that might mutate my cells? Lol! Such disgusting, disgraceful hypocrisy. That's all we get nowadays from Washington D.C. All day, every day.
+1, while it is bad we need to remember we have time to change this. The key thing is instead of Complaining about it, the cigar community needs to come together and ACT! if your not a CRA member join now. Also if you work in any facet of the cigar industry, factory, B&M, marketing, distribution etc. call your local rep and let them know that premium cigars should be exempt cause if not you loose your job. The sky isn't falling yet, just a couple dark clouds rolling in but if we pull together as a community we can clear away those clouds and let the sun shine in.
Yea man. I pay my own health insurance. I give them .30 cents of every dollar I make. Dafuq they passing bills like this for? I think I'm going to stop paying income tax. They can do whatever they want to do, then so can I.
I wish it were that easy for me! I've been going at this since 2009. Never keep a huge stash, right now it's the biggest it's ever been with around 400 sticks, but hot damn. I love this hobby too much to just give up.
All of this is very disheartening and very upsetting. I don't think the "lets sit back and see what happens" approach is our best approach. We seriously need to become more active and organized. But what can we do?
If you are not a member of CRA, you need to join and lend our support. Our power comes in numbers.
Talk to your local B&M's and help set up a petition signing in every one and encourage the shops to push for signatures from their patrons.
Call and encourage others to call their representatives about your displeasure of premium cigars being included in this legislation.
If you aren't a registered voter, please register and exercise your right. Become proactive and speak up. After all, we do live in a free country and our rights STILL need to be fought for. If we don't take a stand, what has made us a great nation will continue to erode away while we sit around and complain. Woah is me!
If you are not a member of CRA, you need to join and lend our support. Our power comes in numbers.
Talk to your local B&M's and help set up a petition signing in every one and encourage the shops to push for signatures from their patrons.
Call and encourage others to call their representatives about your displeasure of premium cigars being included in this legislation.
If you aren't a registered voter, please register and exercise your right. Become proactive and speak up. After all, we do live in a free country and our rights STILL need to be fought for. If we don't take a stand, what has made us a great nation will continue to erode away while we sit around and complain. Woah is me!
BOTL - The cigar industry is NOT DEAD. We are looking at "regulation"--not "prohibition."
Will there be changes to come? YES. Will you be able to walk into a tobacconist and purchase/smoke a cigar? YES. Will we need to adapt to the changes to come? YES. Will we manage to thrive? YES.
Is Crowned Heads going anywhere? NO!
Cheers.
Jon Huber
Crowned Heads
Will there be changes to come? YES. Will you be able to walk into a tobacconist and purchase/smoke a cigar? YES. Will we need to adapt to the changes to come? YES. Will we manage to thrive? YES.
Is Crowned Heads going anywhere? NO!
Cheers.
Jon Huber
Crowned Heads
Mr. McSquirelly
Joe Bananas
So there is a silver lining to this thing, according to Two Guys of Cigar Authority.
"The question that remains can the August 8, 2016 date change and the answer is yes as it is expected that the cigar industry will file lawsuits to delay the new ruling, and hopefully change the ruling while preventing the changing of an industry that has long been a part of American culture. Also, as we reported on in the past, the House is currently reviewing FY17 which would provide an exemption for premium cigars and/or change the predicate date from 2007 to May 10, 2016. If the language remains in the bill it would be a major win for cigar manufacturers, retailers and consumers."
Here is the full 499 page FDA report https://www.scribd.com/doc/311598778/FDA-Regulations
"The question that remains can the August 8, 2016 date change and the answer is yes as it is expected that the cigar industry will file lawsuits to delay the new ruling, and hopefully change the ruling while preventing the changing of an industry that has long been a part of American culture. Also, as we reported on in the past, the House is currently reviewing FY17 which would provide an exemption for premium cigars and/or change the predicate date from 2007 to May 10, 2016. If the language remains in the bill it would be a major win for cigar manufacturers, retailers and consumers."
Here is the full 499 page FDA report https://www.scribd.com/doc/311598778/FDA-Regulations
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