Ruination is one of my favorites the sucks is right up there as well although they are very different I have some alchemy but won't be able to get to it till Saturday but it has come highly recommended as well.went to the local chain store today so this newb can experiment with some IPAs and came back with a stone ipa, stone ruination ipa, and lagunta sucks. The guy working there recommended the great lakes alchemy, do you all agree with that recommendation? Since I was already at the cashier I didn't pick any up but will probably try one on my next trip