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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20131002/news/710029658/

Neighbors object to plan for Mount Prospect cigar bar

A group of friends who meet regularly at Bar Louie in Mount Prospect saw a property available nearby that they couldn't resist.

The price was right, so Nat Caputo, Sam Chiovari, Louie Ruffalo and Tony Dugo bought the former Pearle Vision property at 211 E. Rand Road with the idea of putting in a cigar lounge and calling it Havana Joe's.

What they didn't count on was the need to rezone the site for retail use, a process that has brought out opposition from the business' potential neighbors.

The Mount Prospect village board opened discussions Tuesday on a petition to rezone the property from business office to community shopping. The village's planning and zoning commission already recommended against the change, after residents raised concerns about noise and smoke.

Among those attending Tuesday's meeting were supporters of the project wearing yellow T-shirts reading "We Support Havana Joe's," and opponents from the neighboring Maple Crest subdivision.

Havana Joe's attorney, Michael Alesia, described the business as an upscale cigar store serving both the lounging and carryout trade.

"People can walk in and buy a cigar and take it with them, or they can buy a whole box and give it as a gift or they can sit down in a comfy couch and have a cigar," Alesia said.

"We want to be like Starbucks," not "a place for yahoos to goof around," he added.

The smoke, he said, would run through a filtration system that would collect it and turn it into clean air before it's released. There would be a buffer between the business and neighboring subdivision that would include an existing fence, a stand of trees and a new fence.

But residents said the buffer would do little to keep noise from the business out of their neighborhood.

"They already hear the Bar Louie sounds coming through on late nights and weekends," said resident Habib Bilfaqi. "It's a fence. It's not a wall. The air's going to go where the air's going to go."

Resident David Romanelli said the cigar lounge would set a bad example for youth, showing them that "smoking is something that's proper and good, that you can be refined and smoke.

"Your endorsement of the petitioner would be an endorsement of smoking and an endorsement of cancer," he added. "And it would send a wrong signal to our children."

Matt Senchuk defended Caputo, of Joe Caputo and Sons grocery, and his partners.

"They, as well, are against the underaged consumption of tobacco," Senchuk said. "They're not trying to force this lifestyle onto anybody. They're simply trying to bring a certain niche business into our community."

Much of the discussion among village officials focused on the zoning, with Community Development Director William Cooney pointing out that the nearby Wendy's restaurant has the same non-retail zoning but was granted an exception.

"The Rand Road corridor has always been a bit of a hodgepodge, A little bit of this and a little bit of that," Trustee Richard Rogers added.

When asked why he and his friends chose the location, Caputo said they were limited in their choice of a free-standing building, which would be required for the cigar shop.

"There was nothing (else) available in Mount Prospect, even in the surrounding areas," he said.
 
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What a fvcking joke. Makes me angry reading this.
Do gooders poised with their fangs out to protect the innocent, with an air of superiority about them. Save the children!
 
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"Your endorsement..(of rezoning from office to shopping) would be and endorsement of...cancer"

WTF???

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Probably 15 minutes from my work, yet I hadn't heard anything about the proposed lounge until now. Title of this thread rings true.
 

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Much of the discussion among village officials focused on the zoning, with Community Development Director William Cooney pointing out that the nearby Wendy's restaurant has the same non-retail zoning but was granted an exception.
So they've already set a precedent. Why are they even having this discussion? Sounds like a city run by idiots, for idiots.

Also, where were these outcries against cancer when Wendy's went up? High salt, fat, and sugar contribute directly to at least 1/3 of all cancers... on top of obesity, diabetes, heart issues, etc etc.

You can't have it both ways. Oo, this article makes me mad. I want to take a field trip to this town now.
 
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Some towns in my native MA have banned smoking inside so lounges in the affected city's are being squeezed out by "concerned citizens" Sucks on all levels !


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It bothers me they are being held back by "potential" issues. If they are found in violation then deal with it, but don't handcuff someone trying to open a small business.
 
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One of the neighbors posted this in the comment section:
"We are already suffering from the loud noise in the middle of the night from Bar Louie which is across the street from us. It doesn't look like none of you guys live in the vicinity. There is a daycare right next to this building. Would you live next to a cigar shop with an outside patio & a loud sports bar where patrons are cursing. I don't think so. This is where we live, and we don't want cigar shop literally in our backyard"

Hilarious because no cigar lounge I have EVER been too would ever want to be known as a sports bar nor do they allow "bar" behavior. Amazing how uneducated people are when they comment on things.
 
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It bothers me they are being held back by "potential" issues. If they are found in violation then deal with it, but don't handcuff someone trying to open a small business.
Craig, I think you've hit on what the new owners should focus on. Make this about choking small business opportunities. If you make it about smokers' rights, the emotion of the antagonists is going to be difficult to shout over.
 
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I will say they should have checked into the zoning prior to buying the building. That is something all real estate investor should look into prior to purchase. However, there is apparently a Wendy's, a Bar Louie and an eye glasses store there as well so I'm not sure how the board can get a way with not having this zoned as retail.
 

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Man, what a load of crap. Like you could smell a cigar lounge a half block away ... scientifically impossible. And the noise would be less than a bar, which is already there!
 

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One of the neighbors posted this in the comment section:
"...Would you live next to a cigar shop with an outside patio ..."

Dude, I'd move to live next to a cigar lounge! As it is I live a few minutes from one of two cigar lounges in the state.
 
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Man, what a load of crap. Like you could smell a cigar lounge a half block away ... scientifically impossible. And the noise would be less than a bar, which is already there!
Nate, do NOT understimate the sensory sensitivity of the tobacco nazis. Couple years ago I had a teens' soccer coach come and find me from well over 100 yards, through a thin woods and up a hill to tell me that my cigar was bothering his players. Unfnbelieveable
 

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That's crazy. The smell from any soccer player I've ever been near has been way more offensive than most cigars I've ever smoked.
 
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Bothering his players, wow!
The audacity of you smoking within sight of "children"
Catch a wiff of smoke vs. Clam baking in an inclosed area--do no harm vs. offend no one

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Once again uneducated people shouting down something they don't know anything about. My guess is these people heard Cigar shop with lounge and thought of a Cigar BAR which is totally different. If i were the guys I'd make an offer to the opposition, if you really don't want us to open a cigar shop fine just buy the building from us for twice what we paid and it will be done with.
 
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