I'll stand by the Verite, Pete. The one you gifted me last may (09) was incredible and the real release is even better. The concept is great and the tobacco is great. You get what you pay for.
What happened with the Verite hype??
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njstone
BoM January 2010
Despite all the flack in the Blogosphere about the high price, this is not the first $20 Tatuaje--both RCs are that price or more. I've only had the RC 184, but it's an awesome friggin' cigar. Will I buy them often? Not often, because of the price. But they're awesome. I've yet to get a La Verite, but I'm sure it's the same case. But that's just me. I don't buy expensive cigars very often. During the Holidays I bought Monsters, Anejo, Opus X, and the like, but that's as expensive as I go (though I will trade for nicer sticks sometimes). It's a budget thing for me, that's all.
I don't think it was a mistake to release these, not at all. Given the limited number made, I'm sure they'll sell out well before the 2009 comes out (which I too am more highly anticipating, due to the Pelo de Oro).
I don't think it was a mistake to release these, not at all. Given the limited number made, I'm sure they'll sell out well before the 2009 comes out (which I too am more highly anticipating, due to the Pelo de Oro).
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Bro, what?!? I hope I'm missing sarcasm here. Please don't raise the price on the cojonu!
I got a few verite to try. Just need to shake my cold first. Very excited, hype or no hype it's about the cigar. It's not in my everyday smoke price range but it's cleary not going to be for most smokers. But like other special cigars I hope to have some on hand and enjoy them regularly.
smokemifugotem
BoM July '10
Pete....hope you are not taking offense to this all...it is what it is. I mean you are going to have a few levels of your clientel. Unfortunately this stick is aimed towards the highest end of your base. I mean the average smoker will probaby buy 1 or 2...but probably less than 15% of your customers will buy a box. Kinda like the hand made cigar accs made last year or the upcoming dupont accs this or next year. Meant for those who have the loot to do so. Plus look at all the amazing sticks out from you alone in the 6-10 range. Just hard to bite off for us avaerage joes.
and ps...don't jump the price on the 03
and ps...don't jump the price on the 03
All i have to say is the churchill (la verite) is freaking amazing guys! seriously. I would pay $20 for it all day long. It's certainly much better than an ashton esg or a young opus in my eyes. While it's a bit expensive i think you are getting your moneys worth and i believe in a few years it will be a home run. To tell you the truth i am glad people aren't buying it because it will be cool to see these on the shelf in 6-8 months.
I get the average Joe thing. It just baffles me when I see many average joes buying lots of other cigars that sell for a everyday price of $20 to $35 that are not limited. They are only limited in how many they can get you all to buy. I have tons of product in the $6 to $10 range that I am very proud of but I must say, I am most proud of La Verite and this is a real limited product.
Maybe cool for you, but not cool for the retailer. Retailers need to turn over their inventory quickly - not have it sit on the shelf for 6-8 months, especially for higher priced cigars. It's tough for a retailer when that happens.
I wasn't thrilled with the first Verite I smoked. But each one after that has gotten better and better. After the last one I smoked, I couldn't help but think "this is what a cuban cigar would taste like if it had a cameroon wrapper." (I know the Verite doesn't have a cammy wrapper, but there was a sweetness there that reminded me of cameroon - tasty!). I bought a lot of these and am excited to smoke them 6, 12, 18 months from now.
That said, the price is too high. I hope Pete rethinks the pricing for the 2009 release because $20 for a churchill (or $25 if you don't buy the "futures") just won't fly anymore. And yes, while Pete may have sold out of his allotment, have the retailers sold all of theirs yet? I see retailers who still have them available but maybe it's too early to judge anything by that since they just came out a month ago (although many are discounting them to move them, which may help). But I guess my thought is, if the retailers aren't turning over their inventory of 2008's, how likely are they to purchase the 2009's next year at the same price point?
Now, who has a pre-release 2009 for my to try? :cbig:
jmatkins
BoM January 08
I have had 2 of the robusto size now, and they were good just didn't do it for me. I will pick a few more and give them another go. I did like the PTL much better but everyone has there own taste.
Keep them coming Pete.
Keep them coming Pete.
PLUSH
Some random brother
Why? I know this is tongue-n-cheek. Are you expecting this cigar to sell at the same rate as your regular production? It is what it is. With any price point, some people are not going to buy, whether that be $8, $10, $15, and so on.
Pete, the Verite to me is a good cigar. I only bought a 10 ct box of each. Going to let them rest a little and see. The first ones were just not there or should say what I was expecting. I did sneak another one the other day and got a good spice throughout, not much pepper that I love but a pepper I could not put my finger on. There was a sweetness of something also throughout. A good consistent flavored cigar.
I will be purchasing a couple replacements on the ones I have smoked.
The $ is and kept me from buying more at the time. But more will be bought. Could have but, I just do not like cutting into my turkey hunting budget.:grin:
PS: The Pork Tenderloin to me is a hit, home run, not a grand slam maybe a 2 run homer.
I will be purchasing a couple replacements on the ones I have smoked.
The $ is and kept me from buying more at the time. But more will be bought. Could have but, I just do not like cutting into my turkey hunting budget.:grin:
PS: The Pork Tenderloin to me is a hit, home run, not a grand slam maybe a 2 run homer.
I think what Pete may be trying to say is that some other brands come out with cigars that are $20-$30 (i.e. Padron anniversary series and such) and no one says they won't buy them based on price... But when it comes to La Verite people have had a negative reaction towards the price and the La Verite is much more limited.
I'm with Pete on the pricing deal. $15-$20 for LFD's...$20-$30 for Padron...people drop this kind of cash everyday for these smokes retail, and don't bat an eye...at least once. Personally after paying that kind of money for 1 cigar...I've often come away thinking that the price wasn't justified. Around $15 is in a doable range for me...but I'll scour the internet and call every contact I know to try and get that same cigar for $11-$12 if I buy a box or two.
My question is...if these same cigars were released and it said Padron on the outside of the box instead of Tatuaje...what would be happening sales wise then?
My question is...if these same cigars were released and it said Padron on the outside of the box instead of Tatuaje...what would be happening sales wise then?
But the point is you have cigars like the ashton esg line, opus, padron etc selling for $20 or more and i don't feel these are any better than the La verite. PLUS you have the limited aspect. You can find esg's, and padrons all day long but a year from now you won't find any 2009 la verite's. I think when you mix the time it spent to work on these, the limited aspect and the overall quality of the smoke you have a $20 cigar easily.
twenty5
BoM 11/09, 4/10 BoY '10
I have not tried one yet so take this for what its worth.
Do the reviews justify the price?
Read some reviews on the Padron 44s, 45ths, 80ths... etc.
For a website known for being a bunch of Tat whores, you would think there would be a lot of positive comments on these and I have seen the opposite.
I WILL be finding a couple of these at some point for sure and will give my honest opinion at the time. I have not read anything that makes me want to run out and scoop them all up yet. lol
I think the reason they are getting a bad rap is because of the robusto. The chruchill is far superior and that is the one people need to be concentrating on and judging because its the focus of the line.
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
There are a lot of people that won't spend that kind of money on any brand! I see person after person in our shops that don't want to go above a certain price usually around $10 max. When it comes to Padron Anni's or Opus they get bought because the brands have been on the shelf for years and there is a ton of info out there on them, people know it's a good product, maybe their friends have recommended them or whatever the case may be. When people walk in to a shop and see something they have never heard of for a higher price level they pass over it most of the time. Just because a cigar is "limited" doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't hold it's weight, regardless of who makes it.
Personally on this one the high price made me hesitant to buy, then the less than stellar reviews from people who's opinion regarding cigars I value added to that. I wasn't impressed with the pre-production Robustos I had as well. While the project is unique and Pete has a great passion for the product(easily seen in his comments in this thread), I think most expected to be WOW'd by this release and for the most part that hasn't happened. Will it be a WOW cigar in 2,3, or 4 years? Who knows? But many don't want or can't afford to purchase them in hopes it turns out a certain way.
Personally on this one the high price made me hesitant to buy, then the less than stellar reviews from people who's opinion regarding cigars I value added to that. I wasn't impressed with the pre-production Robustos I had as well. While the project is unique and Pete has a great passion for the product(easily seen in his comments in this thread), I think most expected to be WOW'd by this release and for the most part that hasn't happened. Will it be a WOW cigar in 2,3, or 4 years? Who knows? But many don't want or can't afford to purchase them in hopes it turns out a certain way.
I had an opportunity to pick up a box of the La Verite at a price I could afford (being out of work I shouldn't be buying cigars), but I wouldn't pull the trigger on the deal just because I had horrible wrapper issues with both of the robusto's I smoked. I have no issues with spending too much money on cigars I really enjoy. Just ask Jose how many of his bundles came my way...lol