I get 44s and 45s for $20 all day long, only reason I buy them, as I wouldn't at $30+. Le Verite, I bought a box at a good price because I am a loyal customer at my shop and may even buy another box to help move some inventory for him as they are just sitting there currently. Just from my little experience in my little part of the world, there are a limited number of people who will pay $20+ for a cigar. Factor in this shitty economy and high employment here in Las Vegas and that little slice of people who will pay $20+ for a cigar just got a whole lot smaller. Factor in that there are many, many cigars for $4-$8 that are superb cigars and you can see why these $20+ cigars aren't moving as well as the lower priced ones. I think we are lucky right now in that we have so many great cigars available across the price range that we don't have to spend $20+ anymore for a great cigar like a Padron Anny or a Le Verite. That said the robusto did nothing for me, the churchill is a good cigar.
What happened with the Verite hype??
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Soundwave13
BoM Feb 2010
I personally love em. I have bought & will buy as many as I can afford. I'd like to have 25/25 for long term, but I'm still working on it - I guess it doesn't help that I've been smoking one or two here & there...
mthhurley
BoM December 2011
Pete,
I enjoy a lot of your lines. I don't enjoy some of them as much, so I don't buy them.
This thread and a lot of the Verite threads started by looking for honest feedback from your customers.
However your response seems to say that because some didn't like a stick (that you love and are passionate about) that I and others are somehow missing the boat or are sheep buying more expensive sticks because of brand names.
This is just me talking here, but you've got an incredibly loyal following here on BOTL, but it sometimes seems that when an opinion to the negative comes up, you can react rather harshly. Your fans, myself included, are providing you some honest market feedback. Don't dismiss it and insult us. Listen to it, thank them for buying and trying it and "sorry it didn't hit your sweet spot."
Not everyone is going to love everything you produce, regardless of the passion you put into it. It is absolutely no different than a wine maker who is passionate and loves their product. Not every customer is going to buy it and enjoy it, regardless of the endless hours that wine maker dedicated to the project.
I'm anxiously awaiting the Petit Cazzies, Petit Reservas and Verocu 5's.
The Tenderloins are very good and hope the sticks that passed this one up for the Meat Locker are even better.
Regards,
Excellent post. I was surprised by Pete's response and am glad I didn't respond. You captured it much better, and more tactfully, than I could have.
smokemifugotem
BoM July '10
understandable! I see how this thread could be frustrating then. But I will tell you that I am an average Joe and I smoke everyday. I try to keep purchase in 150 a month. Just can't swing it...wish I could because I love Tatuajes...I mean shit...My son is two and can say Tatuaje and knows the best cigar is a frank
I don't buy and cigar that is $20...I think I have only bought two ever and they were gifts.As for the reviews...they are snap shots right off the truck still. 6 months to a year will be the test. I will still bet that once next year releases...you will be hard pressed to find this years.
Trust my third $20 stick will be yours but will probably be more loyal to your other brands and releases this year. Keep your head up and keep doing what you are doin...entertaining to the masses...you are cornering all spectrums and economic levels with Ambus Mundos / P's to Everyday mass productions to LE's to premiums to super premiums.
It is all part of the game and you are doing what is needed! Nick
ciggy
"TommyBoy"
I know it's hard not to take it personal Pete but keep in mind your in a much higher tax bracket than most of us. Bad economy + no raise + electric/cable/phone/groceries all going up in price and people are making less. Makes it hard to justify spending $20/$25 on any stick. We love ya but you gotta understand our predicament's as well. Or atleast someone like myself who's on a fixed income that streches every dime for a $10 stick.
Also...if you do raise the price of the 03, I need a heads up. I only have a few left which I love but I will have to smoke them less often cause I wont be able to afford more. I don't see any comparison at All myself between the two also.
Excelent post
And BTW I love Padrons, but can't and won't afford them on a regular basis. The 80th is not worth, to me, what they charge for it. I was never the guy the Verite was made for. It's idea and concept, and price was desinged for a higher end client. I am more of a Cabiguan/noella guy. I was just offering my take on why the hype died down.
VERITE.
This has been a very interesting post. While some of the reviews did not come back as "over the top," I have to say that this is the new cigar that I have been waiting to smoke the most. Unlike some LE's and hype-ridden fakes, I have personally watched the development of this product, including all of the passion that Pete, Pepin and Jaime have put into it - including the REAL aging time, as I have seen the cigars and boxes just resting at the My Family factory for quite a long time.
The Verite was one of the most intelligent, well thought out experiments that I have ever witnessed in the business since Partagas 150 and Padron 1926 Serie. And yes, its true that the price tag is high, but remember, that this is not meant to be an everyday smoke like Cojonu or Reserva - this is for that special moment, or that special weekend treat after a hard workweek.
In any event, I am superexcited to try all of the sizes and lay down a mimimum of one 100 count box for my collection. Congrats to Pete on the brand, as I am confident that it will turn into a PJ Classic after all - hype or no hype.
Best,
JD
This has been a very interesting post. While some of the reviews did not come back as "over the top," I have to say that this is the new cigar that I have been waiting to smoke the most. Unlike some LE's and hype-ridden fakes, I have personally watched the development of this product, including all of the passion that Pete, Pepin and Jaime have put into it - including the REAL aging time, as I have seen the cigars and boxes just resting at the My Family factory for quite a long time.
The Verite was one of the most intelligent, well thought out experiments that I have ever witnessed in the business since Partagas 150 and Padron 1926 Serie. And yes, its true that the price tag is high, but remember, that this is not meant to be an everyday smoke like Cojonu or Reserva - this is for that special moment, or that special weekend treat after a hard workweek.
In any event, I am superexcited to try all of the sizes and lay down a mimimum of one 100 count box for my collection. Congrats to Pete on the brand, as I am confident that it will turn into a PJ Classic after all - hype or no hype.
Best,
JD
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Well said Mike. I wanted to respond last night, but I was to heated from reading Pete Johnson's response. I knew if I said anything then, it certainly wouldn't be what I'd want on the internet forever and ever.
I think this, as well as the thread on the Tatuaje swag, seem to be highlighting a point. What I'm seeing is that Tatuaje is clearly a boutique brand, but some of these newest releases (cigars and swag) are geared more towards an 'elite boutique' buyer. Maybe that's not the right wording, but they both seem on a higher ($$ wise) level than the traditional Tatuaje products.
I'm all for higher end and more expensive cigars, and I love them as much as the next guy. I don't have a problem with a $20 cigar, but when these are primarily sold as 10 packs-that's asking a lot of someone! This chat board has a mix of people from all over the pay grade, so you are going to see a mix of feelings on the price.
I just wonder how this will change upcoming years. Wasn't it put out this year to let people get a feel for what the 'futures' gig would offer? We were supposed to get this cigar and go "oh man, I should have bought this earlier and saved $3 a stick" right? If that's the case, the feelings on the cigars this year will certainly keep me from paying in advance for the next round.
BTW - I meant My father Factory, not My Family. Sorry.
JD
JD
I too, need to pat you on the back for a well thought out response, Mike. I smoked this stick ROTT, and it didn't hit the sweet spot for me. I feel no need to bash the stick, and I will probably try it again in the future. Good luck Pete.
hdroadglide
BoM x 2, BoY 2011
why don't you go introduce yourself in the intro thread new guy?
I don't think that anyone can expect these LE sticks to move at the same rate as a lower priced stick. Heck, Padron 44 and 45s have been sitting at my local B&M for a while (waiting for me to get up the courage to buy them) and the Verite is the same way. Things keep popping up that I have to buy now, or they will be gone, so they Verite that sits on the shelf gets deprioritized. I smoked it and it was a very interesting cigar. I'll end up with a 10ct box to put away, but I have other things to buy right now.
I think having to order in multiples of 100 sticks may keep some smaller shops from ordering the 2009 release next year, seeing the pace that these sold.I know some tobacconists were nervous about this year. ~$1800 (100 robustos and 100 churchills) is a big investment to have sitting on the shelves and ~$2250 for the same thing next year on an unknown cigar will be even harder to swallow.
I think having to order in multiples of 100 sticks may keep some smaller shops from ordering the 2009 release next year, seeing the pace that these sold.I know some tobacconists were nervous about this year. ~$1800 (100 robustos and 100 churchills) is a big investment to have sitting on the shelves and ~$2250 for the same thing next year on an unknown cigar will be even harder to swallow.
I'm surprised no has mentioned it, but aren't the Verite cigars meant to be aged?
These cigars went from crop to your door in two years. I thought part of this experiment was to make a cigar that would develop in a box as a rolled cigar instead in bales prior to rolling. Similar to how people age wine in bottles.
These cigars went from crop to your door in two years. I thought part of this experiment was to make a cigar that would develop in a box as a rolled cigar instead in bales prior to rolling. Similar to how people age wine in bottles.
AlohaStyle
BoM Sept '12 & Aug '13
From what I understand, futures will be sold around the January time frame at the same price as the ones this year... then, the price will be higher in the Summer for those people that didn't buy futures. If any B&M is worried about the pricing, just make sure their customers buy the futures.
But I understand your point that 100 stick minimum is a big investment if that number is true, especially in this economy.
Craig Mac
BoM 4/10 7/11 12/14
Good luck with that one when they aren't buying the ones on the shelf as is. Plus not very many customers I see would pay 6 months out on cigars.
That's what gets me...
I have my box of 10 for both sizes, and will likely buy more when I can... the thing is, retailers need to move product, and for someone to have thousands of dollars sitting on the shelf... just does not fly.... I have a feeling that the stores that can't sell this years in the next few months, will not be ordering the 2009's ...
This is the exact point that I don't get... I smoke a Padron once every 4-6 months... it's an ugly cigar, and really does not do much for me... there are people that buy ESG and Padron all day at $15+, and no one ever mentions price...
I don't get why the Verite price is the big deal that stops people from buying them... I'm just one guy, and it is my opinion, but this is a damn good cigar!!
I know waaaaay fewer people that smoke $15+ smokes "all day" than I do people that smoke $6-10 smokes all day. I know people that smoke $20+ Zinos and Davidoffs all day long and buy 1926's by the box... but that is over the head of the average smoker.
Its not that they are bad cigars, the ones I have had were great, but if I buy a 10 ct box, I'm done buying cigars for most of the month and if I buy a 25 count box, I'm done buying for a much longer time. A $16-$20 or $20-$25 cigar is just going to move slower than a cheaper stick. Its not an indication that it is a bad stick.
I think that this conversation has moved into another realm. I don't wan't people to buy boxes and spend money they don't have...Like Jonathan said, this cigar is for the special moment and not to be smoked everyday....If you got money to burn, go ahead and smoke them every day if you like them... If you don't, again, I don't expect people to blow their money on my product but I don't want people to discount the worth of the cigar because it doesn't taste like my Cojonu series.....