Finally I had my first Cohiba!
- Thread starter Wink
- Start date
- Status
Only thing I would say is Cubans WERE the benchmark for cigars. These days Domestic cigars are really on par with the Cubans in my opinion and many others share this view as well.
Many Domestic cigars have flawless construction and excellent blending. Don Pepin Garcia cigars really resemble the traditional Cuban rolling style with quality and style. Most Pepin's are topped with the Cuban triple cap. I really enjoy the flavor of his cigars as well.
Padron, Oliva, Don Pepin Garcia, Arturo Fuente. Most of the cigars by those brands have been extremely consistent and excellent quality.
I think based on the definition of the word "hype" I would say Cuban's do qualify.
When I first got started with cigar smoking I was so exciting after reading people talk about how they are by far the best cigars in the world. I was expecting to be blown away by some of the top Cuban cigars people were naming, though they were good, they didn't live up to my expectations for them. I was expecting them to be like 97-100's in ratings. Most were around 90-94 maybe.
I was well aware you were having "fun" by ruining a "game" for everyone else.
People should be able to share their opinions without the fear of being criticized or ridiculed by others. Just because someone is young doesn't mean they are less knowledgeable about things than you are.
And to call me narrow minded is quite silly since I do a good bit of research before stating my opinions. Was like the whole debate over aging cigars where you and your posse blind sided me with some pretty unfriendly replies. My opinions aren't solely based on personal experience or what others have told me to say. I do a good bit of research and enjoy learning about cigars and thinking for myself. Which is actually quite the opposite of myopic.
Again you've misunderstood. It has nothing to do with what you like. Its how you behave. And a "snob" isn't the best word, I don't care for it but the whole "Cuban snob" does seem to be a common saying for those who feel "Cubans are superior to all other cigars and those who smoke Cubans are superior to those who do not".
Sorry but it just gets a tad annoying seeing someone constantly put down non-Cuban cigars and bring Cubans into every conversation which aren't even about Cuban. It is possible to disagree with someone without disrespecting someone.
P.S.
I don't want this to turn into a trolling/spam fest so if you want to share your opinions on the topic or hear mine, PM me.
WoW! I didn't know this was such a touchy subject, is that a can of worms I see.....
For one thing I know it takes a lot of experience and concentration to distinguish different taste between cigars. Of course mild, medium, full is just the tip of the ice berg but to be able to tell different regions, leaf to tobacco is a horse of another color.
For one thing I know it takes a lot of experience and concentration to distinguish different taste between cigars. Of course mild, medium, full is just the tip of the ice berg but to be able to tell different regions, leaf to tobacco is a horse of another color.
icehog3
Outlaw Hockey Biker
Not my intention.
My posse? No, my friends can pretty much think for themselves. But I guess the ones who agreed with me and disagreed with you make them my "posse" in your eyes. Most seemed to disagree with your "Rule of 3" for aging cigars, but since they disagree you say they "ridiculed" you. I wholeheartedly disagree....when you say that cigars have completed the aging process in 3 years, you may bring in some disagreement. Hey, you brought it up.Nickerson said:
"Research" doesn't compare to personal experience in my humble opinion. To make blanket statements about the whole of Cuban cigars after smoking a dozen seems a little premature. Personal experience is a large part of the equation.
I have NEVER said anything remotely close to "those who smoke Cubans are superior to those who do not". To imply I ever have, on any forum, is an outright lie. I don't disrespect ANYONE who prefers non-Cuban cigars simply for that fact. I am a true believer in "smoke what you like, like what you smoke". Respect is earned however, and I have seen disrespect from you on a number of occassions on a number of forums. Perhaps a bit of introspection is warranted here.Nickerson said:
At the risk of being disrespectful, I would be interested in hearing how much of your definition of "hype" applies to Cuban cigars, specifcally:
Just to show that I don't disagree with you just for the sake of disagreement, I agree that much of the non-Cuban cigar industry has superior construction, and excellent quality. I happen to prefer the profiles of Cubans, but don't begrudge anyone who prefers NCs....does that make me a bad guy?
Smoked a wonderful Esencia Petite Corona just before reading this...perfect construction, very tasty cigar.
Right....you have your say in public, but I should keep mine private? Have enough respect to allow me to respond to your impressions of me in the same forum as you have.Nickerson said:
icehog3
Outlaw Hockey Biker
I apologize to all, I just don't care to have inaccurate "quotes" attributed to me.
I think that is fair enough, and nothing has gotten out of hand.
on the topic, Kind of, Pepin's whole mission is to create a Cuban cigar outside of Cuba. I say that tongue in cheek, because it's not possible, based simply on location. However, he grows, ages, blends and rolls his cigars keeping in mind the cuban cigar he wants to emulate. This come directly from the man himself. He said his Blue Lable "A' was modeled after the Cuban Monte "A". And tooting his own horn he said he could swap the bands and you couldn't tell the difference. This argument is never going to be solved, only because it is a matter of opinion.
"Highland Scotch is the best scotch in the world":thumbsup:
"no lowland Scotch is, :yes:
"Islay is the king." :sarcastic
"F all of you, Speyside rules the whole of the Scotch universe.":angerFU:
see what i mean? we can do this:boxing:all day, and nothing is solved. I would say find cigars you like, no matter the country, a 5th of SPEYSIDE single malt, because it's the best, and let's listen to heavy metal for a while.
Why heavy Metal? duh, because it's better music than that shit you listen to.
I think based on the definition of the word "hype" I would say Cuban's do qualify.
Quote:
–verb (used with object)
1. to stimulate, excite, or agitate.
2. to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods; promote or publicize showily: a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight.
3. to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually fol. by up ).
4. to trick; gull.
5. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
6. an ingenious or questionable claim, method, etc., used in advertising, promotion, or publicity to intensify the effect.
7. a swindle, deception, or trick.
You are kidding right? this lables the non-cuban cigar world much more accurately.
Quote:
–verb (used with object)
1. to stimulate, excite, or agitate.
2. to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods; promote or publicize showily: a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight.
3. to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually fol. by up ).
4. to trick; gull.
5. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
6. an ingenious or questionable claim, method, etc., used in advertising, promotion, or publicity to intensify the effect.
7. a swindle, deception, or trick.
You are kidding right? this lables the non-cuban cigar world much more accurately.
I never said you said that. Learn to read...
Yup I was kidding! Haha good joke right?
I think you may be talking about catalogs and retailers. WHO DO hype up new releases and cigars that aren't all that good.
However we are referring to what people say online.
Hype applies to every type of cigar. Cuban, Nicaraguan, Honduran, Dominican, etc. And isn't limited to the cigar world.
I was just pointing out to say there is NO hype what so ever on Cuban cigars is kind of silly. Would mean its basically the only product in the world that has ever been made that hasn't ever been hyped up.
You guys a buzz kill! Guy was just stoked about finding a new cigar he liked and you went and shit all over it. Grow up ya marys.
icehog3
Outlaw Hockey Biker
I read fine, my young Brother. Now you read this....it is what police call "evidence". :headroll:
Wasn't my intent to start an arguement really. Drama just seems to follow IceHog. As you can see from my first post when someone said "I'm sorry it wasn't a Cuban" I simply said "I'm not" trying to encourage the cigar the thread author was talking about.
Most of this is drama and prejudiced being brought over from another forum where IceHog moderates.
It is shameful that adults cannot engage in a conversation without breaking out in arguments, but I'm afraid that is what the internet does to people. Anonymity tends to make people lack a sense of control and understanding.
And I don't really like to engage others in conversations that may lead to arguments, it just gets to point where it becomes difficult to read the bull he continuously posts based on his biased opinions.
You just proved me right. Look at what is bolded in second quote "those who FEEL" not "those who SAY". You clearly feel Cuban cigars are superior to all other cigars and you've gone to great length to share this with us all.
Grow up old man.
Stick to the forum you moderate and stop trolling other forums to cause drama. It gets old man. Like you.
Wow...I can see the future.
People, sometimes we all like things others call "shit". So?
Now leave this thread for good, the lot of yes, and go smoke a cigar. (not like there's anything of value comming anytime soon)
People, sometimes we all like things others call "shit". So?
Now leave this thread for good, the lot of yes, and go smoke a cigar. (not like there's anything of value comming anytime soon)
And WTF with the attacks?! You, sir, need that cigar aforementioned.
- Status