Michael Vick wants to own a dog

[BagfullofPings]

I don't agree what he did, but look at the consumption meat industry. Similar process. Somebody funds the system, Somebody takes care of the animals (usually in horrible conditions), kill the animals, Somebody makes a profit.

Get on YouTube and type "Slaughterhouse". See what you get. Then think about your leather jacket, your shoes, your furniture, your kids baseball glove, eating a hamburger, and everything other cow/beef product we take for granted .

Michael Vick was a tool and somebodies political ticket punch.

Almost lunch...gonna go get a Carne Asada burrito!!!

 

[Treinenwj]

I am really surprised by all the no way votes.

If one of you got into an accident while driving under the influence, and killed someone in the accident, and lost your driving privileges, would you want them back? If so, I bet your view of redemption would change quickly.

And before anyone says, him killing the dogs was not an accident, neither is drinking and driving, it is a mistake not an accident.

That's an odd example to use to defend him getting a dog. I'm on the fence about whether or not he should be allowed to have a dog, but totally believe no drunk driver who kills another person should ever be allowed to drive again!

 

[The EVP]

I am really surprised by all the no way votes.

If one of you got into an accident while driving under the influence, and killed someone in the accident, and lost your driving privileges, would you want them back? If so, I bet your view of redemption would change quickly.

And before anyone says, him killing the dogs was not an accident, neither is drinking and driving, it is a mistake not an accident.

Here's the difference....the drunk driver does not have any intent on getting in an accident, hurting or killing anyone. Vick knew exactly what he was doing and what the outcome of the dogs that didn't live up to expectation would be. You're right....he choice was no accident and yes, it was a mistake. He learned that and now has to suffer the consequences of his decisions.

 

[Alwayslit]

He killed dogs with malicious intent for the sole purpose of making money. Letting him have an animal at this time is way too soon....imho.

 

[themoneycollector]

He did the time but I think he forfeited the right to own animals for the rest of his life. What Vick did to those dogs was so awful that we cannot put him in a position where something like that can happen again. It would be like letting a sexual predator teach elementary school.

I agree. I think the closest he should ever come to a dog ever is to volunteer cleaning cages at the SPCA or fetching feral cats like pinky the cat of the week. :angerFU: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnyDPgPUBas"]YouTube - Pinky the crazy cat - pet of the week![/ame]

I've read elsewhere that there are people like Vick that never had a chance to experience dogs as a pet/friend. Where and how they are brought up they are taught to do just what he did. I personally think he did his time and so far has seemed genuinely sorry. To me my dog, along with dogs I've had in the past, means the world to me, if he has never had the chance to experience what kind of relationship you can actually establish with a pet I don't see a problem with it.

He has done well this season and I'm sure he'll be making even bigger pay in the next few years.

Just my 2c, but I always hate to hear people say he did his time. He's still living and making money while there's tons of dead dogs that were electrocuted and drowned at an operation that he had an instrumental role in. He could never do enough time to bring back those animals and take away the pain they went through.

Justice would have him forced to give pinky a bath in a rape box while wearing an electrocuting scream collar for the rest of his life. :angerFU: :rofl:

 

[danthebugman]

IIRC he wasn't directly involved in the fighting of the dogs, he was just financial backing for it.

That doesn't make it okay. Maybe it's because I've seen first hand animals that have come from conditions like that, but any of those guys should never be allowed to have an animal. Simple as that and it pisses me the hell off that he's playing football again.

Dan

 

[openendstraight]

Here's the difference....the drunk driver does not have any intent on getting in an accident, hurting or killing anyone. Vick knew exactly what he was doing and what the outcome of the dogs that didn't live up to expectation would be. You're right....he choice was no accident and yes, it was a mistake. He learned that and now has to suffer the consequences of his decisions.

That is my point. The drunk driver should learn their lesson, and suffer the consequences also. Driving, just like owning a pet is a privilege, not a right.

Tell the family of the victim, that the driver did not mean to kill your loved one.

Again, my wife and I treat our dogs like part of the family, but I understand that they are dogs, and not people.

All of you bleeding heart liberals should open an ASPCA shelter, OH WAIT, can I call you a bleeding heart liberals if you are only that way towards animals, and not people?

People make mistakes, and if you don't believe in second chances, you should be huge advocates for executing all criminals right after their trials.

 

[iCraig]

That doesn't make it okay. Maybe it's because I've seen first hand animals that have come from conditions like that, but any of those guys should never be allowed to have an animal. Simple as that and it pisses me the hell off that he's playing football again.

Dan

I understand that it doesn't make it OK, but I also believe in second chances.

I personally have no problem with him playing football again. It's what he's good at. Why shouldn't he be able to go and do what he's good at doing?

If Steve Jobs was jailed for something unrelated to his job as CEO of Apple, did his couple years in jail, and then got out, should he not be allowed to come back to lead the company again, or start a different company just because he committed a crime? Vick did his time and while what he did was despicable, it doesn't mean he can't and hasn't changed. Give the man a second chance.

 

[The EVP]

That is my point. The drunk driver should learn their lesson, and suffer the consequences also. Driving, just like owning a pet is a privilege, not a right.

Tell the family of the victim, that the driver did not mean to kill your loved one.

Again, my wife and I treat our dogs like part of the family, but I understand that they are dogs, and not people.

All of you bleeding heart liberals should open an ASPCA shelter, OH WAIT, can I call you a bleeding heart liberals if you are only that way towards animals, and not people?

People make mistakes, and if you don't believe in second chances, you should be huge advocates for executing all criminals right after their trials.

To be honest, I agree with you on the drunk driver thing...there should be harsher sentences for them and I know from experience since more than one good friend of mine has been killed by a drunk driver, thank you very much.

The focus of my arguement was intent. I know the guy driving drunk didn't intend on killing my friends, but he did. Vick didn't accidently kill those dogs, he did it with intent. Vick agreed to never own a pet again as part of his plea bargin. He agreed to the stipulation and should be held to that. If the drunk driver that kills someone agrees to surrender his license for life, he should be held to that too.

As for calling me a bleeding heart liberal, there's no need for name calling. I was participating in the conversation and was not attcking you personally so that was a bit uncalled for. And just so you know, I am far from liberal.

 

[WMGF]

That is my point. The drunk driver should learn their lesson, and suffer the consequences also. Driving, just like owning a pet is a privilege, not a right.

Tell the family of the victim, that the driver did not mean to kill your loved one.

Again, my wife and I treat our dogs like part of the family, but I understand that they are dogs, and not people.

All of you bleeding heart liberals should open an ASPCA shelter, OH WAIT, can I call you a bleeding heart liberals if you are only that way towards animals, and not people?

People make mistakes, and if you don't believe in second chances, you should be huge advocates for executing all criminals right after their trials.

No one gets into their car drunk with the intent of killing someone else in another car (note: if they do that's treated differently than a typical DUI accident - it's murder.) Michael Vick intended to torture, kill, make money off the suffering of animals. If Vick had hit a dog on his way home and drove off without doing anything about it I'd say that's a mistake. What Vick did is quite a ways away from a one time mistake. The only reason he stopped doing what he was doing was because he got caught AFAIK and if he hadn't been he'd still be killing dogs today.

 

[strife]

While I'd never condone what he did and I'll never be able to think anything other than vile thoughts about him, this is the United States where people are guaranteed that justice be swift, fair and usual. Continuing to punish a person after a sentence that society has imposed has been completed is neither fair nor usual. Unless one of the conditions of his conviction is some sort of restriction from being around animals he should be allowed to own a dog.

 

[openendstraight]

As for calling me a bleeding heart liberal, there's no need for name calling. I was participating in the conversation and was not attcking you personally so that was a bit uncalled for. And just so you know, I am far from liberal.

This was directed to all that think what he did is unforgivable. People make mistake.

But if your are so thin skinned that you think this is calling names, then PM me, and I'll open a new thread dedicated to apologizing to you for hurting your feelings.

WMGF......

No one who does something illegal ever stops unless they are caught.

 

[Cigar Cowboy]

what about people that stomp on roaches, or burn ants with wd-40, or shoot rabbits with bb guns? i've done all of the above, am i a lousy human being?

Roaches and ants are pretty far down the food chain. Shooting rabbits with bb guns is pretty bad. You need the right tool for the job. A 22 gets it done.

I am an ethical hunter. I eat what I kill and make sure it dies a humane death. :assaultri

 

[WMGF]

No one who does something illegal ever stops unless they are caught.
Huh

Plenty of people who feel remorse for what they've done turn themselves in all the time.

Also, how far are we going with the second chance thing? Do we extend the same courtesy to convicted murderers and rapists or is the cutoff animal cruelty?

 

[Cigar Cowboy]

No trust in the ability of someone to change, Michael?

I don't know what is in his heart, so I can only go with my gut. I would not sell him a pup if I bred dogs.

I would hire him to QB though

 

[The EVP]

This was directed to all that think what he did is unforgivable. People make mistake.

But if your are so thin skinned that you think this is calling names, then PM me, and I'll open a new thread dedicated to apologizing to you for hurting your feelings.

WMGF......

No one who does something illegal ever stops unless they are caught.

Did you see me asking for an apology? No. Trust me, it'll take a lot more than someone I don't know on an internet forum calling me a liberal to hurt my feelings...a lot more. I just find it sad that you couldn't express your opinions about the topic or that you disagree with what's been said without insults and name calling. :disappoin

 

[Cigar Cowboy]

No one who does something illegal ever stops unless they are caught.

I think he is sorry...sorry he got caught

 

[CAJoe]

I understand that it doesn't make it OK, but I also believe in second chances.

I personally have no problem with him playing football again. It's what he's good at. Why shouldn't he be able to go and do what he's good at doing?

If Steve Jobs was jailed for something unrelated to his job as CEO of Apple, did his couple years in jail, and then got out, should he not be allowed to come back to lead the company again, or start a different company just because he committed a crime? Vick did his time and while what he did was despicable, it doesn't mean he can't and hasn't changed. Give the man a second chance.

If Steve jobs financed a dog fighting ring and killed some of the dogs himself I would say let him have his job back but keep him away from animals. What if a teacher molested a kid that didnt have anything to do with his job, would we let him back as a teacher after he did his time?

 

[PLUSH]

And before anyone says, him killing the dogs was not an accident, neither is drinking and driving, it is a mistake not an accident.

Don,

Actually it is a choice. A mistake is you wake up, reach in the drawer, grab two blue socks, put them on, get to work and realize you have a black one on. That is a mistake, you made no conscious decision of grabbing two different ones. Drinking and driving is not a mistake, someone makes the choice to get in the car after drinking. You are right though, it is not an accident.

 

[iCraig]

If Steve jobs financed a dog fighting ring and killed some of the dogs himself I would say let him have his job back but keep him away from animals. What if a teacher molested a kid that didnt have anything to do with his job, would we let him back as a teacher after he did his time?

A teacher works with kids.

A CEO of a tech company doesn't work with animals.

You can't really compare the molestation of a child with running a dog fighting ring... I mean, really? Two completely different levels of crimes. I love animals too and I'd be incredible upset if my dog were harmed, killed, whatever, but I'd kill someone if they harmed my child. Completely different between someone hurting a dog and hurting a child.