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SpartanFan - Thanks for the email...I hit ya back.

SmokinNukie - Looks like you hit a 'runner'....did it even itself out or not? Can't say with 100% certainty what cause that; however, I'm more than happy to replace that cigar for ya--lemme know (Huber@CrownedHeads.com).

I really appreciate everyone's input and kind words on this thread. I'm always eager to garner feedback on our cigars--good or bad. Sounds like we've got some Headley Grange and J.D. Howard Reserve fans here, but not-so-much on Four Kicks(?). If your palate is geared more towards 'fuller-flavored,' 'heavier' cigars, I can see that--Four Kicks was really blended to be more of a 'cornerstone' to our portfolio in that it's a blend that can be enjoyed by a total cigar novice and a seasoned enthusiast, alike. It's not too 'heavy' for a beginning smoker, and if you have a seasoned palate, you'll be able to get the nuance and complexity of the blend--AND the fact that it's very balanced. One note isn't 'louder' than the others...which, for me, is the hallmark of a well-crafted and well-blended cigar.

On the other hand, Headley and JDHR are more 'in-your-face.' I kinda compare the blends to wines--Four Kicks is more like a balanced and nuanced Pinot Noir, whereas, Headley and JDHR are more like fruit-forward Zins...

Thanks again to all my BOTL for your continued support! We can't do it without you all....

Cheers.

Jon Huber
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My friend loves the four kick he likens it to an Aurora so he seems to like the mild blends and some medium. He doesn't have the tolerance for fuller ones yet.
 

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SpartanFan - Thanks for the email...I hit ya back.

SmokinNukie - Looks like you hit a 'runner'....did it even itself out or not? Can't say with 100% certainty what cause that; however, I'm more than happy to replace that cigar for ya--lemme know (Huber@CrownedHeads.com).

I really appreciate everyone's input and kind words on this thread. I'm always eager to garner feedback on our cigars--good or bad. Sounds like we've got some Headley Grange and J.D. Howard Reserve fans here, but not-so-much on Four Kicks(?). If your palate is geared more towards 'fuller-flavored,' 'heavier' cigars, I can see that--Four Kicks was really blended to be more of a 'cornerstone' to our portfolio in that it's a blend that can be enjoyed by a total cigar novice and a seasoned enthusiast, alike. It's not too 'heavy' for a beginning smoker, and if you have a seasoned palate, you'll be able to get the nuance and complexity of the blend--AND the fact that it's very balanced. One note isn't 'louder' than the others...which, for me, is the hallmark of a well-crafted and well-blended cigar.

On the other hand, Headley and JDHR are more 'in-your-face.' I kinda compare the blends to wines--Four Kicks is more like a balanced and nuanced Pinot Noir, whereas, Headley and JDHR are more like fruit-forward Zins...

Thanks again to all my BOTL for your continued support! We can't do it without you all....

Cheers.

Jon Huber
Crowned Heads
Jon,

I truly enjoy knowing that you are on here. I am making some room in the Humi to possibly pick up a sampler of your stuff when Christmas funds are back in order.

Thank you for the explanation regarding the wines.

"Runner" meant a sort of channel in the roll that caused the uneven burn?
 
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Jon-
Thank you for the generous offer. It finally evened up just as I nubbed it!

It's easy to support Crowned Heads when you are such a stand up guy and offer us cigar enthusiasts some interesting and very enjoyable cigars at a price point that doesn't break the bank.

Keep delivering the same level of service, more great smokes at this price point and I'm pretty sure that your support from us cigar enthusiasts will continue to grow.
 
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I just recently started smoking Crowned heads cigars. But for me the JDHR is top 5 cigar for me. It hits my palate perfect. Which reminds me I need to get some more.
 
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I just got a six shooter sampler, and I have a box of drumsticks on the way. I've really enjoyed the Headley Granges and the one JD Howard I've had, enough to invest in a bunch more! It is really great to see a company being so hands-on with their customers, a true sign of passion for the product and the industry. I'm looking forward to trying the Four Kicks after they rest a bit!

Cheers!
 
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Jon, it's not that I don't like the Four Kicks, it's a great cigar. But the HG and the JDH just hit my profile perfectly for two very different reasons. Few things are better than a HG in the morning with some coffee or chia tee

And I might be crazy, because I keep thinking that the Four Kicks is the most "in your face" of the group. More in a peppery way though. I might have to smoke em slower or something.

Either way, keep em coming, I'm sure we will keep smoking them!
 
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Jon, it's not that I don't like the Four Kicks, it's a great cigar. But the HG and the JDH just hit my profile perfectly. Keep em coming, I'm sure we will keep smoking them!
This sums it up for me. I still smoke a Four Kick every now and then but you made it so difficult to grab anything other than a HG. The only complaint I can think of is the Drum sticks Ltd status. Now that is a perfect smoke IMHO.
 

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This is why I have been leaving other forums and coming to hear more often. Crowned Heads, (Huber), and all of the other cigar brands that participate and seek information and opinions from the BOTL are what make companies and "communities" great.

So glad to be here!!

Joel
 

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I thought half wheel rated the drumstick as averafe?
I guess I didn't read the review. The only reviews I rely on are from people I know to have similar taste in cigars. Even then its not always a given.
^^^Truth! A reviewer's opinion should mean nothing to you unless you've found your tastes to align with theirs on other items in the past. I'd go out on a limb and say that MoldMan's own opinion of a stick is way more important to him than that of Halfwheel, no matter how respected they are. Part of the beauty of this hobby is how subjective taste can be. The is no right answer, only what's right for each individual. :thumbup:
 
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SpartanFan - "Reviews" are really just one party's opinion--they're not necessarily right OR wrong.

That said, I do take issue (and I won't mention specific blog/review sites) when a premium cigar is given a '70-something' rating. Sometimes I think certain review sites are going overboard on the whole "Hey, we call em like we see em--we're just so honest--we're different than Cigar Aficionado--blah, blah, blah" thing. After 17 years of working in this business, I find it very difficult to fathom that a premium, handmade cigar that is brought to market can be SO inferior as to receive a sub-80 point review. I've seen and know firsthand what goes into the creation of a blend/cigar, and I can't imagine a cigar-maker worth his salt, and with decades of experience in tobaccos would bring something to market that is just so 'God-awful' as some of these reviewers would have you believe.

It's very easy to be opinionated and brave when you're sitting behind a keyboard. One of my favorite quotes about 'critics' is:

"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done everyday, but they're unable to do it themselves."

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Smoke what you like, regardless of what some so-called 'expert palate' says.


Jon Huber
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SpartanFan - "Reviews" are really just one party's opinion--they're not necessarily right OR wrong.

That said, I do take issue (and I won't mention specific blog/review sites) when a premium cigar is given a '70-something' rating. Sometimes I think certain review sites are going overboard on the whole "Hey, we call em like we see em--we're just so honest--we're different than Cigar Aficionado--blah, blah, blah" thing. After 17 years of working in this business, I find it very difficult to fathom that a premium, handmade cigar that is brought to market can be SO inferior as to receive a sub-80 point review. I've seen and know firsthand what goes into the creation of a blend/cigar, and I can't imagine a cigar-maker worth his salt, and with decades of experience in tobaccos would bring something to market that is just so 'God-awful' as some of these reviewers would have you believe.

It's very easy to be opinionated and brave when you're sitting behind a keyboard. One of my favorite quotes about 'critics' is:

"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done everyday, but they're unable to do it themselves."

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Smoke what you like, regardless of what some so-called 'expert palate' says.


Jon Huber
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This quote just made my day. Thanks Jon. :applause:
 
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SpartanFan - "Reviews" are really just one party's opinion--they're not necessarily right OR wrong.

That said, I do take issue (and I won't mention specific blog/review sites) when a premium cigar is given a '70-something' rating. Sometimes I think certain review sites are going overboard on the whole "Hey, we call em like we see em--we're just so honest--we're different than Cigar Aficionado--blah, blah, blah" thing. After 17 years of working in this business, I find it very difficult to fathom that a premium, handmade cigar that is brought to market can be SO inferior as to receive a sub-80 point review. I've seen and know firsthand what goes into the creation of a blend/cigar, and I can't imagine a cigar-maker worth his salt, and with decades of experience in tobaccos would bring something to market that is just so 'God-awful' as some of these reviewers would have you believe.

It's very easy to be opinionated and brave when you're sitting behind a keyboard. One of my favorite quotes about 'critics' is:

"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done everyday, but they're unable to do it themselves."

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Smoke what you like, regardless of what some so-called 'expert palate' says.


Jon Huber
Crowned Heads
I feel the opposite. The lack of scores below 80 skews results and the scale to a high degree. A 70 would mean average, and so it is an average cigar with perhaps one major redeeming factor. Below that? Well those would be poorly constructed, tastes that don't align well, flavors that can't be detected or perhaps even enjoyed. Beyond that? Well in my opinion those would be anything from Alec Bradley. They taste like meat and salt and I will likely never try another of theirs unless I was given it and asked to by another. My reasoning is that the flavors are reprehensible, though it saves itself for being an actual cigar built decently. Beyond that? I imagine something else is there.

But instead, all I ever see is 80's for the most part unless it's an overhyped limited edition I'll likely never have the chance to try. Then they rate it terribly for some strange reason.

Cigars seem to mirror how games work... If it has multiplayer it gets a seven, and if lot's of people played the previous it gets an 8, anything beyond is paid for. I can't trust game reviewers because of such obstruction of the scale. I guess I can't trust cigar reviewers either then.
 
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SpartanFan - "Reviews" are really just one party's opinion--they're not necessarily right OR wrong.

That said, I do take issue (and I won't mention specific blog/review sites) when a premium cigar is given a '70-something' rating. Sometimes I think certain review sites are going overboard on the whole "Hey, we call em like we see em--we're just so honest--we're different than Cigar Aficionado--blah, blah, blah" thing. After 17 years of working in this business, I find it very difficult to fathom that a premium, handmade cigar that is brought to market can be SO inferior as to receive a sub-80 point review. I've seen and know firsthand what goes into the creation of a blend/cigar, and I can't imagine a cigar-maker worth his salt, and with decades of experience in tobaccos would bring something to market that is just so 'God-awful' as some of these reviewers would have you believe.

It's very easy to be opinionated and brave when you're sitting behind a keyboard. One of my favorite quotes about 'critics' is:

"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it's done, they've seen it done everyday, but they're unable to do it themselves."

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Smoke what you like, regardless of what some so-called 'expert palate' says.


Jon Huber
Crowned Heads
I feel the opposite. The lack of scores below 80 skews results and the scale to a high degree. A 70 would mean average, and so it is an average cigar with perhaps one major redeeming factor. Below that? Well those would be poorly constructed, tastes that don't align well, flavors that can't be detected or perhaps even enjoyed. Beyond that? Well in my opinion those would be anything from Alec Bradley. They taste like meat and salt and I will likely never try another of theirs unless I was given it and asked to by another. My reasoning is that the flavors are reprehensible, though it saves itself for being an actual cigar built decently. Beyond that? I imagine something else is there.

But instead, all I ever see is 80's for the most part unless it's an overhyped limited edition I'll likely never have the chance to try. Then they rate it terribly for some strange reason.

Cigars seem to mirror how games work... If it has multiplayer it gets a seven, and if lot's of people played the previous it gets an 8, anything beyond is paid for. I can't trust game reviewers because of such obstruction of the scale. I guess I can't trust cigar reviewers either then.
I kind of feel the same when it comes to most reviewers numerical opinions. When about every cigar reviewed falls in between 87 and 93 what's the point? Why not just use 1-10??? Give me some numbers I can use! I also take every official review for what it is, just an opinion. I've seen fellow BOTLs, even from here, have two completely different opinions when we sit down and smoke. Cigars are sure extremely subjective, smoking new and different things is something I enjoy, forming my own opinions are most of the fun. That said, Jon, I think it's obvious from this boards love you are in the BOTL hall of fame. Thanks for making some our truly favorite smokes! Your hard work and intensity don't go unnoticed!
 

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the numbers associated with reviews are completely valueless to me...

I look for whats in the text/narrative.. and will compare 2 or 3 reviews to see what is consistent among them (flavors, strength, construction quality, burn, etc..) to see if I think a stick might be something I would be interested in trying..

Ill usually buy 1 or 2 based on reviews.. and then make a decision for myself after that... if I like it.. great.. Ill buy a box.. if not.. I dont really care what number it was assigned.. I wont buy it again..
 
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